QUOTE (_Pax._ @ May 10 2012, 06:09 PM)

And I did state they were for illustrative purposes only.
Yeah but you also stated you thought they were alot more.

QUOTE (_Pax._ @ May 10 2012, 06:09 PM)

If DTRPG is charging a flat $3 fee, that wouldbe a major departure from the traditional way the book trade works. And since DTRPG is owned by a book distributor? That wouldbe very surprising to me.
Again, traditinally the seller asks "what is the MSRP?" ... and then takes a PERCENTAGE of that price.
They do to. My point was for an example. DT takes between 15 and 30%. So.. knowing that as a book seller, if YOU want 10, they charge 13, so you get your 10 and they get their 3. It's an example. Not a direct pricing.

QUOTE (_Pax._ @ May 10 2012, 06:09 PM)

3 months ago was exactly that: 3 months ago. That was THEN, this is NOW.
Very observant. Now. Tell me what's different other than 'Time has passed' to indicate I should pay 30% more for the same amount of product. Why have the prices on the book raised almost half in 3 months? Did all the artists die? Did the writers die? Is paper more scarce? I'm thinkin' no.... so please, show me why the book is worth 30% more today, than it was day before yesterday.
QUOTE (_Pax._ @ May 10 2012, 06:09 PM)

Then find a new hobby and never buy a small-press publication - which most certainly does include all of the RPG (micro-)industry - ever, ever again.
There's the sort of answer the fans and customers want to hear. "Don't like it? SCREW YOU!!! THEN DON'T BUY OUR STUFF! LEAVE! WE DON"T WANT YA!!!!" Some how I doubt that'll be the tactic that Catalyst chooses to endorse. As for "small press" It depends on how you define it. They just pulled in almost two million for a game that they were shootin' for 400,000. I don't concider that a small thing.
QUOTE (_Pax._ @ May 10 2012, 06:09 PM)

If the publisher doesn't make enough money, they stop making new books. That is, or should be, something you consider "your problem".
If they make LESS money because they OVER CHARGE they stop making books too. But again. I'm back to "Why is the publisher suddenly not making enough money, that they feel the need to jack prices 30%?" If X was ok for all of last year, and nothing has changed why do they need X+30% today?
You clearly are not in business as your replies seem to be 'screw the customer. They'll pay what ever we charge or we'll just quit and go home'.
QUOTE (_Pax._ @ May 10 2012, 06:09 PM)

You have an absolutely collossal sense of entitlement, don't you?
About MY MONEY? Yeah.. I do. So do you.
If I charge you three bucks for your lunch, today... tomorrow, the next day and next day and next day, then suddenly I go "Four bucks" and you go "But it's the same lunch it was yesterday" and I go "Yeah? That was yesterday this is today" are you just going to nnod and go "Oh your right. That was yesterday, today is today, here take the 30% raise in price for the same exact product?
Doubtful. Now.. the difference between 3 and 4 bucks is just a buck, but that's the concept. You might just pay it as it's just a buck, but you're not going to like it.
Now take it up to 18 bucks. Not exactly pocket change for most of us. And charge 18, and 18, and 18, and 18.... then suddenly charge 25 for the same thing. 30% more... are you just going to smile and nod like a cow and pay out with no explination or reason?
"Entitled"? It's MY money. Tell me why I suddenly have to pay a third more for the same product. Or... I'm not going to pay more for the same thing. "Cuz we said so" doesn't fly.
QUOTE (_Pax._ @ May 10 2012, 06:09 PM)

Clue time: prices inevitably go up. In the publishing business, they don't tend to rise by 5% at a time - companies hold their prices at the old price point for as long as they can, accepting ever-dwindling profits. But eventually, they face a crisis point: either they raise prices, or they go out of business. Generally, they prefer the former over theltter. And typically, the price increase is a big "jump" - to a level they think they can hold onto for another long stretch.
Cite your source. Show me where this is industry wide standard.... to hold prices the same then screw your customers to the tune of 30% across the board.
I'm not going to hold my breath as you won't find it. Books do NOT tend to jump that drasticlly in cost. Know how I know? I have thousands and thousands of books. I have over 10K in JUST Role playing books. My house is lined with book shelves along the walls, down the halls, in the bed rooms, in the bathrooms, in the basement. We've got big giant plastic totes full of books we don't feel we're going to re-read any time soon.
Have books gone up over the years? Yeah they have. Inflation does happen.
Does it happen 30% overnight? No. Even the blood sucking gas companies don't hit you that hard. A paperback book is about $8 if you buy it full price these days.(( noone does, they buy um discounted at walmart or on Amazon... that's why so many book stores are closing)) They were $5 when I was a kid. The inflation didn't jump 30% at one time.
QUOTE (_Pax._ @ May 10 2012, 06:09 PM)

Maybe sales have DROPPED by some sizeable percentage?
30% in 3 months? We've seen no indication of that what so ever. Even if it did, a short term drop doesn't nessitate slamming your customers in responce. Only a long term drop would justify that, and even then, you jump 30% you need to state why. From all indications though Catalyst is doing great in their own sales figures. They really DID just bring in close to 2 million dollars for the shadowrun game. They just revamped their website. They speak of how well they're doing and how well sales are.
QUOTE (_Pax._ @ May 10 2012, 06:09 PM)

Maybe places like DTRPG want a bigger cut of the action?
And maybe my action figures get up and have parties when I leave the room. There's no indication that they do, but maybe they do.
You can specualte if you like but it's just speculation.
People like Bull and Patrick? It's cool when they offer possibilities, as they're in the loop (( at least a bit)). But I don't HOLD THEM TO IT. as they aren't making the calls for prices or anything. They can give insight, but not difinative answers.
I'm asking "WHY".
Why the prices went up by 30% between one book and the next
Why should I pay 30% more of my hard earned money for the same thing I paid 30% less for in Feb.
I know that most people here are fans, but if you look at who started the thread, they all aren't.
You may notice how quite it is from that vector?