So I'm working on my newest character's history because the GM is promising bonus Karma if its a really detailed/good past. I'm stuck on whether or not a SINless Ork would have been readily hired by the UCAS army or a mercenary subsidiary of Ares with the promise of getting a legit SIN and all the bells & whistles that come with getting a SIN.

The gist of her history is that she was jerked along by her employeer with said promise of recognized citizenship and after a few years of false promises and general abuse, she decided to go AWOL with the help of a sympathetic coworker who aided her in fleeing to a new life where she's taken up shadowrunning (because at least this way she's semi in control of her fate in her mind).

Long story short: Could/would a company hire a SINless person with the promise of assigning them a SIN?

Don't see why not. An Amnesty program contingent upon completing service in a Military Unit/Organization souns good to me. There is absolutely no need for a SIN while in the Unit (you would likely have papers showing your affiliation), and once your term of service is complete, then you receive the SIN.

Yeah I thought as much. I saw it as "Hey there kids! You want a real SIN so you can have voting rights and a house and stuff? Join Merc-co and we'll give you a SIN upon completion of your contract!"

I figured they'd target SINless because its easier to get away with exploiting them. After all, what could the SINless do in a world that doesn't consider them a real person without a SIN?

The GM is being a real stickler for details so I'm apparently suppose to know the name of the employer (apparently "Just some mercenary company" won't fly). Given the fact I imagined her as a more militant sort of runner, I don't imagine she was hired by Knight Errant?

(Double Post)

Oh boy, I'm having lots of mental fun with those recruitment posters. I'm about to do Universal Brotherhood in my 3rd Ed game set in 2054, and I think this is going to make a sub-arc explaining how the UB gets so many good fighters. "Remember - Service Guarantees Citizenship!"

For the record, most megacorps (AA and AAA rated as they're extraterritorial) have the authority to issue SINs to their employees and their families. You're a Renraku employee, you've got a Renraku SIN, not a UCAS one. So if they need grunt security guards and don't want to pay them proper wages, there's a good chance they'll use recruitment tactics like that. Especially the ones they want to use to field test experimental cyber or ones they don't feel is worth the investment of cyberware so they drug them up with Kamikaze and the like. Basically, they can promise the SIN all they want because they don't expect them to survive to collect, saving the company money on all the paperwork (a temporary SIN would be much easier to provide as there's less work involved).

Please note, however, that you WOULD get a SIN, even if just a temporary one. All employees have SINs just like all employees have Social Security Numbers now. If they don't, they're getting paid under the table in cash (or certified cred in this case) and any agreements made about the end of employment wouldn't be enforceable anyway.

For the record, the legal system in Shadowrun has always been a bit...doesn't make a lick of sense. Employees are corporate citizens, but do they still pay taxes to the government? How can they if they live and work on sovereign corporate soil? So don't get bogged down too much in those details. It's one of those aspects of the game that if you examine it too far, it completely destroys the suspension of disbelief.

I would imagine a temporary SIN would eventually be deleted? But yes, the idea is she only has her fake SIN now since moving to Seattle. I didn't giver her either SINner quality when I built her.

You could say that you took it, but didn't bother writing it down because you declined the points for it

LOL that isn't going to fly with our GM. Man is a stickler for details and a borderline rules lawyer. I'm hoping what I have is good enough for him.

(Double post AGAIN, srsly what is going on)

right and the corps could pull the sin. for example you have a terrible accident -you happened to walk infront of a ugn just as it went off, terrible just terrible, and so they record your assigned SIN as no longer in sewrvice. It's their number on extraterritorial space for someone who never existed before-no one would think twice.

With that in mind your charatcer should have joined a corp army rather than a government one. she thought it would be aq 'real' SIN but foundo ut the truth and being an orc with japanese bosses got all the drek jobs til she was sick of it, not realizing what would happen to the SIN when she went AWOL. As a back story the boss oculd now have a grudge against her because when she left, she unknowingly left him in a tight spot and he lost face.