QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 10 2013, 06:48 AM)

What? Which one? The one from Secrets of Power, which didn'd make it past Vancouver Island? They infiltrated a US nuclear silo, which, given 9/11 never happened and security in the States themselves was bored and super ineffective, wasn't much of an effort, I'd say.
Sorry, "Submarine Base". Page 26, Sixth World Almanac.
As for your purely absurd 'Oh ain't no thing to infiltrate a nuclear silo'.... lol Hermit.. Come on. Some of your posts are funny but, "Wasn't much effort" to get into a nuclear silo? Give me a break.
QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 10 2013, 06:48 AM)

That's work for 4th gen fighters, the current US models - F22, F35, which also happened in SR's parallel history according to RBB 2 - can't be flown that way anymore.
Can't be flown what way? I assure you there's still a dude sittin' in um flying um.
QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 10 2013, 06:48 AM)

And, even if they found pilots, these aircraft come at roughly 60 hours maintainance and repair after each sortie, even if there was no combat and not even rough weather.
Maintenance? Simple. Skillsofts. You don't wanna enter combat with one but you can surely do maintenance with them.
QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 10 2013, 06:48 AM)

The NAN would need actual infrastructure to maintain them, parts, components, radar-absorbent paint ... contracts with Lockheed and suppliers.
Not really. What you're describing is stuff needed if the NAN invested millions to billions to maintain the airforce. Why would they? They could literaly 'Fly um like you stole um!!" and once they started to get messed up, aim them at their target, crank um up and punch out.
Yes in a conventional airforce you put loads of time and money into your planes because they're such huge investments. the NAN could (( at that point)) Have used them as very high priority disposable assets.
QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 10 2013, 06:48 AM)

I can't see that, I realy can't. Those are American planes we'Re talking about, capricious machines built assuming maintainance is never a problem, not russian low-end planes optimised for being usable under any condition.
Again, they're stolen items. and maintenance could be conducted with skillsofts untill they started to break down then you sacrifice them. You're thinking like a conventional long standing army. The NAN at this point wasn't.
QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 10 2013, 06:48 AM)

No, sorry. That wouldn't even work with 4th gen fighters. They'd be out of operable planes really fast.
They likely were. I doubt they were using fighter jets in every engagement. They very likely lost most of them in the first or second engagement they used them in, after stealing them.
QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 10 2013, 06:48 AM)

And even durable russian and european models need maintainance, ground crews, fuel, munitions ... all of which the NAN never had.
Why didn't they? because you said so? Ground crews and fuel is easy to find if you've stolen a jet. lol. There's munitions for them in every AFB Across the nation.
QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 10 2013, 06:48 AM)

They may have welded mussiles they stole onto PA-25 or something, and done emergency sorties with them. In that case, I tip my hat to the brave and competent NAN guerilla pilots, because a 15 to 1 kill ratio against F22 operated by a government unit with all the contracts is damn impressive. Well, maybe the 160th was flying F35.
Besides, the NAN waged a guerilla war. Usually, that kind of war does not involve both sides having the kind of infrastructure necessary to sustain an air force. In such an assymetrical war, one side usually has air supremacy and the other dodges around their planes and kills their soldiers with IED and nighttime raids on outposts.
Usually so, but the NAN also had magic which they weren't afraid to use. I'm with you. MOST of their engagements were very likly guerilla style, but apperently they also stole jets and used them too. Trust me, if guerilla's COULD do such things, they surely would/will.
QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 10 2013, 06:48 AM)

Okay, I forgot that, too. Yeah, then at least they'd have a sufficient pool of trained soldiers to draw from and get themselves up to speed in modern warfare.
Not putting too fine a point on it, but couldn't the NAN have simply hired it's own mercenaries to teach them how to fly combat jets?