If I'm firing 2 warhawks, single shot, and I fire in the same action phase. Are both the shots no recoil penalties?

Assuming you have no inherent recoil compensation through strength or on any of the weapons, both would have a -1 (for the 2nd shot fired), since uncompensated recoil is added to either shot.
This is in addition to all other applicable modifiers (off-hand, split pool due to shooting a 2nd weapon, shooting at different targets, etc.).

I agree, but I need to prove to my group this is true.

The problem arises, when firing from 2 different weapons in the same action. All it talks about is when firing a SA weapon. The first shot is free, so my group thinks that because its a second weapon and firing SS that the first shot for the second weapon should be free. The rules do not clarify this problem.

Hu. Good point, actually. I never noticed that. Unfortunately, I don't have any idea if this can be disproved and not enough time to research it right now

Ok thanks for the help, I just need to figure out how to prove I'm correct, if I'm correct.

I've always understood it to be that firing one shot each from two different guns imposes no recoil. However, subsequent shots add up as normal, but uncompensated recoil applies to both weapons simultaneously (if firing simultaneously)

First gun, first shot: 0
Second gun, first shot: 0
Total penalty, first double shot: 0

First gun, second shot: -2
Second gun, second shot: -2
Total penalty, second double shot: -4

In the case of burst fire...

First gun, first burst: -2
Second gun, first burst: -2
Total penalty, first double burst: -4

First gun, second burst: -5
Second gun, second burst: -5
Total penalty, second double burst: -10

~Umi

The BBB pretty consistently describes recoil as something that applies to a weapon, not a character.





The Attacker Using a Second Firearm rules say otherwise:



However, Attacker Using a Second Firearm isn't quite what we're talking about here: you aren't firing both weapons with the same Simple Action, you're firing them with two consecutive Simple Actions.
So the rules as written are a bit ambiguous on this point.

Actually it's exactly what I'm talking about, and yes I'm talking about using the same action phase.

This part of the rule is problematic, when firing 2 weapons one time in your action phase.

Additionally, any uncompensated recoil modifiers applicable to one weapon also apply to the other weapon

because the first shot generates no recoil, or makes it seem it doesn't generate recoil.

Do you mean...

1) First Simple Action: Fire Weapon A / Second Simple Action: Fire Weapon B or

2) First Simple Action: Fire Weapon A and Fire Weapon B / Second Simple Action: ... ?


I'm pretty sure, that for 1) you would get no recoil modifier, since both weapons have seperate recoil tallies and they are both 0 (first shot from that weapon).

The above-quoted part (about Attacker using a Second Firearm from Toptomcat) only applies to 2), but not to 1).

Bye
Thanee

The second one

Yes,if its the first shot, since the first Shot is always recoilfree.
(and with a personal Grip it would be recoilfree if it would be the 2nd shot)
BUT....
Shooting Akimbo (both Weapons at the same AP) means splitting Your Pool, no Bonus from Smart/LP,etc yaddayaddayadda
with Two RSW (which are SS anyway) its better to shoot: first sA right 2nd sA Left

with an Akimbodance
Medicineman

Either way you do it, you won't take recoil. But why are you firing both of them simultaneously in one simple action, when they are both SS weapons that won't give you a second shot? It seems to be splitting your dice pool for very little gain (you have a simple action left, but have a gun in each hand that you can't fire any more with - so what do you have planned for that other simple action?).

I'm not asking a question about recoil comp, and I'm not asking about firing in different simple actions.

I was trying to get an answer to my question about firing 2 SS warhawks in the same SA, and determine what the recoil would be for the second pistol.

Unfortunately I'm not getting a consensus on the answer, so I can't bring it back to the group with a firm answer.

PS
Thanks guys for trying to help

So you're talking about firing them both at the same time, which would have the exact same rules as firing 2 SA in the same action, except that you can't fire them again in the next action. Them being SS rather than SA literally makes no difference on the recoil.

That said, there is no RC penalty as both weapons have only fired their first (and only) shot.

Recoil only affects you if you fire more than one shot with one gun. Since you're firing two shots, but with two different guns, recoil is not a problem for you, though you have to split your dice pool and cannot benefit from a Smartgun Link, sadly. However, recoil will be no issue for you, so the only reason you'd want to put recoil compensation on the weapon is for fluff reasons.