As i was tricking out the gear on one of my most recent characters, who is a rigger, i got around to wondering what kind of toys i could give them. While there are the obvious choices like the doberman, what other kinds of drones (or drone like toys) could i turn into a weapon while still following the the rules.

So I ask you all, what kind of crazy stunts of this nature have you all pulled?

Additionally I am curious about mounting a weapon on a small drone despite its body being below 3 (as the Modified GMC Chariot goes against the rule and the attitude suppliment mentions puting a hold-out pistol into a medusa extensions.)

How about mounting a tazer on some small-form flying drone and then using a "ramming" attack (maybe the drone needs a CC autosoft...)

C-D Dragonfly, armed variant. Weapon mod: Underbarrel taser: Defiance EX Shocker
( due to size limitations, the only valid weapons are roughly those the size of a grenade. Taser and Holdouts are pretty much the only options. )

Or actual grenades, for that matter. Sure it's expensive, but if you absolutely, positively have to shock and awe some fools, it's hard to beat Willy Peter suddenly exploding in mid-air right next to their heads.

Microgrenades strapped to the drone with gecko tape? So the drone can turn the gecko tape off to release the grenade, then trigger them to explode at the right moment...

No, I was thinking full-sized grenades attached to kamikaze microdrones.

Which if I recall, Arsenal flat out says that you can do that and even provides you the stats for having a C-D Dragonfly strapped with C12.

Both could work I guess. The non-kamikaze way means the drone lives to fight another day tho.

The kamikaze way would be cool with small wheeled vehicles. Like the Batman TAS episode "The Grey Ghost".

So would you use the normal mounting mod to attach a taser or holdout to a small or mini drone or some alternative?

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The C-12 armed C-D Dragonfly is rather underwhelming. Which is why I want it to hoist aloft a standard-sized White Phosphorous grenade. Why knock 'em over with a bit of a bang when you can set a motherfragger on fire?



The non-kamikaze way means that the GM would be within his rights to invoke the scatter rules, at which point the dice get rolled and your grenade scatters from Redmond Barrens onto Council Island before exploding.

The kamikaze way assures the grenade explodes where the drone is. That's worth the price of the C-D Dragonfly, having a smart munition that blows up where it's supposed to instead of one or two districts over.

True, and it's cheaper / easier to obtain than a missle...

Not drone related, but I've always been a big fan of putting shotguns into arms. Preferably a cyber one, because I recall the gun being almost as much or more essence than the arm.

You know, that reminds me of a question I came up with earlier today and actually planned on posting in it's own thread.

If you have a cyber-shotgun in your cyberarm, is it treated as a "one-handed" weapon?

~Umi

Shock and awe for their friends outside the blast radius, maybe. If you've gecko-taped grenades to a drone though, rather than kamikazeing it, have them plant the device on the target - that way you can reuse the drone and hopefully don't have to worry about the scatter rules.

Perhaps, but that would entitle the target to a dodge roll to avoid the drone, at which point if he succeeds, he becomes aware of it and is then entitled to melee combat rolls to smash it apart and/or grab it and chuck it at you, whereas if you sneak the Dragonfly up on him and catch him (and hopefully his pals) unawares, they summarily become unentitled to their dodge rolls to increase their effective distance from detonation.

And even if they're in combat, the dragonfly can still lurk behind cover until his turn, then fly out to them and detonate within a meter of them.

The limpet idea (having the dragonfly use gecko tape to attach the grenade to the target) would work really well for general demo use, though.

Reminds me of a theoretical character that was built by a college acquaintance who didn't know Shadowrun.
We nicknamed him "Tinker Toy" because when combat started, he fell to pieces. Modular Cyberlimb drones.

...soooo the Mk. 42 armor from Iron Man 3?

Minus Tony Stark.

Or rather, if the Mk 42 was Stark's actual body.

Also, we had that idea about 5 years ago. Significantly before the current Iron Man movies.

Indeed it does. Hence my ballpark for the limitation of underbarrel weapon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jts0xxg7P8I





-k

I think we are all familiar with this scene.

That was awesome

into a handheld comlink.

thats easy, get a weapon that can either be hidden or appears not to be a gun, and then add weapon comlink.

Want to Weaponize Your Genitals? We've Got a Rule For That.

So, yeah, there's this.

E

Penile implant with embedded grenades?

you've got the wrong willy peter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus

A few years back (2010) there was that hilarious Idea to build a grenade into a drone that also counts as a Tacnet member. AND they come as cheap as 320 Nuyen a piece

My GM was sooooo mad about those ... until we decided "No, we do not want to go that way, Grenades are BAD!!!!1111eleveneleven"

In-detail description und Cost calculations by Udoshi in this Thread!

Well I do say that by the end of Iron Man 3, Stark essentially became the ultimate Rigger.

(seriously, any rigger would just kill to have an arsenal of remotely-controlled power suits with a varied but versatile weapons loadout, AND unique specializations for every kind of situation imaginable!)

My SR4 Missions rigger* was on her way to that. She had three anthroform drone bodies, each tricked out for a different role (social, combat, and infiltration).

No character transfers to Season 5, though, alas.


-k

*- She is the pixie listed in my sig. For grins and giggles, one of the drones is sculpted to look like Robert Downey Jr.

Bahahahaa.
Someone actually used that?

You should have seen the Smartgrenade RAM! A new spin on volatile memory, it involves clustering a bunch of grenades into an antenna and maybe a commlink and running hackware out of it. If you ever get caught, just press the big red button!

Now that I know of it, I just might
Thanks for the link to the smart grenades!
I was already considering Bust-a-Moves for tacnet and overall mischief and mayhem purposes...
Complete with fur dyed into dark violet/blue, some minor rearrangement of parts to look a little different, a distinct "Bamf" sound and a note of burnt sulfur, if you see my angle...
Also a lot of different setups for different tasks. I still need that car-stealing minidrone crew. Yes, that includes one model wielding a tool laser, so small weapon mounts are needed.

As for putting weapons onto minidrones, though they cannot take standard weapon mounts, a GM can permit you to use the "Special Machinery" modification to create something like a weapon mount, just much smaller. My GM gave me an Okay for that. I used the price of a normal weapon mount as a base, just added the limitation to smaller firearms.

From another forum I got the idea to consider cybereye lasers for minidrone weapnry, they're small, after all.

Wait, like a group of microdrone carjackers? To infiltrate and commandeer vehicles?

Also, nightcrawler drones. Hilarious. I recommend holo projectors too.

I was always curious. Couldn't you skinlink a microdrone to hack skinlinked opponents? Land the microdrone on 'em, and bam.

Yes, except that when a skinlink is active it turns off wireless, IIRC.

What about having a direction antenna on the microdrone to direct a narrow band back to the hacker? (Or another drone with a repeater, etc)?

There is absolutely no reason changed linked device mod can't fix that. Relay hacking is already a thing; the medium shouldn't matter

Best of both worlds: Microgrenades are referenced in the corebook. Spy Games gives us the actual stats for them: About 15*25mm in size, damage and cost as full-size grenade. Arsenal tells us that minidrones such as the Bust-A-Move are 25 cm in size, and that Secondary Functioning gear requires only that the object you're hiding something in be at least 1.5 times the size of the hidden object. So we take our microgrenade, slap Secondary Function x6 on it for a total cost of 210 nuyen. At a -6 to Perception checks to find an object less than 10 cubic centimeters in size... good luck with that, chummer. Conveniently, the BaM has cameras and microphones, so we slap an enhancement or two on there for tacnet capability... I'm AFB, but unless there's something huge I'm missing, we should come out in the realm of 750 nuyen for a tacnet-node self-guided bomb that looks innocuous enough to make it past most corporate security checkpoints. We lose the launchable deployment of the original bombnet, but I think this makes up for it in stealth factor and added versatility.

And yes, if you want, I'm sure you could pack nitrogen triiodide and sulfur into the grenade so that, when it goes off, it leaves a cloud of indigo smoke and a distinct smell.

As useful as jamming a grenade inside something is, I don't find it to be particularly creative or interesting. Sure it could be cost efficient, but it ain't very cool or fun.... Ok putting a pressure activated explosive inside a toy (RC or not) that says "Squeeze ME!" in a annoyingly cute way is kinda funny the first time you do it, but it gets old fast. And if i really want a smart grenade I'd just buy the Halmdall.
Instead of sticking to just whats Cheap, think imaginative. Like....

-Taking a emotitoy or bust-a-move toy, increasing its effective strength, fitting it out with retractable claws and appropriate autosofts; than leaving it to be found by someone. when they go to pick it up, it jumps up and attacks.
-Taking a industrial barrel and using it as a platform for a deploy-able smart firing platform that pops up when sensors (its or yours, or whatever) detect enemies. Naturally you would install hidden armor and weigh it down as well. To cap things off, when the gun runs out or ammo or is destroyed, you could tip it over and roll it towards the enemies cover and detonate the high-explosives installed in the bottom (because i am that evil).

Are these ideas expensive? Yes. Are they fun? Very much so! >=D

It's less about cost and more about the trail of evidence. If everything goes wrong and you're on Plan M, trying to bug out under fire, chances of recovering your remote sensor platofrms are... not good. So you push the big red button, and suddenly their forensic data trail is a baggie full of useless shrapnel. Bonus points if it's got someone else's fingerprints on it.

Never let the corps get their hands on evidence that connects you to the run.

It lacks the explosivness of the discussed options, but my on lethal courier utilized slap patches laced with the strongest sedatives and non_lethal drugs he could find. After that, it was all a matter of slaping the opponent in the neck. Critical Glitch would be something like, "You grabbed the wrong side of the patch."