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2XS
I was kicking around the idea of building a vehicle as a hideout or retreat. Something with lots of amenities and even more privacy.

At first I thought a boat or zeppelin with improved efficiency and the sun-whatever solar power mod so it could just run forever, but the numbers don't add up.

I've noticed a lot of people just ignore operating times for drones, but I don't want to just hand-wave this. Is there a way to make a vehicle essentially not require fuel?
Beta
QUOTE (2XS @ Oct 15 2015, 01:36 AM) *
I was kicking around the idea of building a vehicle as a hideout or retreat. Something with lots of amenities and even more privacy.

At first I thought a boat or zeppelin with improved efficiency and the sun-whatever solar power mod so it could just run forever, but the numbers don't add up.

I've noticed a lot of people just ignore operating times for drones, but I don't want to just hand-wave this. Is there a way to make a vehicle essentially not require fuel?


Some of the fluff suggests that vehicles are re-charged via Grid Guide (inductive charging from the roads, maybe? Mechanism wasn’t all that clear in anything I read). (I have my doubts about the economic and engineering feasibility of that being a widespread thing, but then again one really shouldn’t try to apply too much science or engineering or economics to the ShadowRun universe, so probably best just to go with it). So as long as you spent enough of your time driving around, maybe you can stay charged? Of course, that may not work so well with the 'privacy' angle :-/
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
I don't know... I had a Zeppelin (SR4A) with a Standard Cruise time of 480 Hours, and a Station Keeping time of 960 Hours, both of which extended out with SunCell technology for long duration operations. You do need to re-supply from time to time, but that is easily taken care of through drone re-supply shipments.

Luftschiffbau Zeppelin H&W Classique IVz

The Luftschiffbau Zeppelin H&W Classique IVz is in a class all by itself. Measuring an impressive one hundred and ten meters (358 Feet) in length, it is a shameless display of decadence and wealth. A yacht of this size usually has six decks (two lower, 2 Main, and 2 Upper Decks). Typically, a yacht of this size includes the following accommodations and amenities:

The Lower deck possesses an exterior atmospheric platform at the stern; Six guest cabins with en-suite bath or shower rooms aft, a medical centre, and the engine room amidships. Additionally, the Drone maintenance facility and Drone Rack is located here. The two Main decks share a sheltered exterior deck aft leading into the main salon, dining room and galley. There is an entrance amidships, next to the owner's tandem suites, located forward. In addition, there is a Sim-Deck enhanced cinema with an expansive Simsense library, a playroom, and additional living areas such as a separate bar, secondary dining room, private sitting rooms and a library. Also included are several jacuzzi, sauna and steam rooms, along with an enclosed Swimming Pool and Plunge Pool (with an optional wave-maker). In addition, there is a small PMV bay located here that stores up to a dozen PMV’s for ready use.
The Upper decks boasts an exterior deck aft, often used for outdoor dining, a second salon (often called the sky lounge) a wet bar inside and outside, a sixth stateroom will be amidships if it is not on the lower deck or part of the owner's suite, a fully equipped gym (may also be on the lower deck or part of the owner's suite), and a Command/Communications Facility and Bridge. There is a Sun deck on the roof of the upper deck, which also features a Jacuzzi and a helicopter landing platform.

An entertainment package that includes all of the best SimSense feeds throughout the world, Large AR and VR entertainment hookups, and a complete satellite and modern communications array.

Additional Facilities aboard the yacht include an atmospheric processing plant that extracts the water from the atmosphere and purifies it for consumption. There are several large holding tanks to store the output. In addition, this processor provides an additional source for the gasses that fill the zeppelin, to minimize the loading and storage of atmospheric gasses. There is also a very large food and perishable storage facility, to reduce re-supply functions.


Stats:
This Super Yacht is the brainchild of designer Roman Abramovich, and brings together two of the most influential companies in Zeppelin and Yacht design and construction. In the year 2066, Luftschiffbau Zeppelin, in partnership with Harland & Wolfe, introduced the Classicque IVz Air Yacht. It was an immediate success with the Rich and Famous throughout the world. The most Interesting thing about this Yacht is that it may be customized to the individual’s own tastes and requirements. It is the ultimate in Luxury Living. But wait, THERE’S MORE. With the Classique IVz, you never have to worry about being without power ever again, as it has been equipped with the latest in state-of-the-art SunCell Technologies systems that allow it to stay in the air almost indefinitely.

Std. Upgrades: Lighter than Air (Includes Level 2 Improved takeoff and Landing), Luxury Accommodations and Amenities (Yacht).
Base Operational Time: 480 Hours (At Cruising Speeds) to 960 Hours (Station-Keeping). Sun Cell technologies extend this time out dramatically.
Operational Ceiling: 5,000 Meters (16,250 Feet)
Lifestyle Costs: Luxury

Handling -3
Accel 5/10
Speed 30
Pilot 1
Body 36
Armor 16 (Improved to 18)
Sensor 6


Basic Upgrades: (33/36)
    • Additional Fuel Cells: 3 (Provides Base Operational Time), Slots: 3, Cost: 3,000¥
    • Improved Economy (Double Operational Time), Slots: 1, Cost: 1,500¥
    • Suncell Power Systems (Double Operation Time in Daylight, Recharge Time is 2 Hours per Hour of Operation), Slots: 1, Cost: 18,000¥
    • Improved Sensor Array (30 Points of Sensors), Slots: 1, Cost: 1,000¥
    o See Sensor List for Actual Sensors Installed
    • Enhanced Image Screens, Slots: 1, Cost: 3,600¥
    • Improved Armor, Standard, Rating 18, Slots: 1, Cost: 3,600¥
    • Standard Weapon Mounts: 4 (Normal, Fixed, Remote), Slots: 4, Cost: 6,000¥
    o Each Affixed with a Laser System (+16 Dice Defense), Cost: 120,000¥
    • Missile Defense System, Slots: 1, Cost: 10,000¥
    • Lock-On Countermeasures (-3 Active Targeting Bonus Dice), Slots: 1, Cost: 5,000¥
    • Large Drone Landing Rack, Slots: 6, Cost: 20,000¥
    • Special Machinery (Drone Bay attached to Drone Rack, Holds up to 12 Large Drones, with a Maintenance Area to Service the Drones/Shop), Slots: 2, Cost: 5,000¥
    • Special Machinery (PMV Bay, Holds up to 12 PMV’s/Shop), Slots: 1, Cost: 5,000¥
    • Special Machinery (Hacking Command Center/Facility), Slots: 1, Cost: 100,000¥
    • Special Machinery (Cloud Scoops to Harvest/Purify Water/Shop), Slots: 1, Cost: 5,000¥
    • Special Machinery (Food & Perishable Warehousing/Shop), Slots: 1, Cost: 5,000¥
    • Satellite Communications Array, Slots: 1, Cost: 500
    • Signature Masking 2 (Reduce Sensors by 2 for Detection), Slots: 2, Cost: 4,000¥
    • Gridlink Hookup for Docking Port to Recharge Fuel Cells. Slots: 1, Cost: 750¥
    • Interior Cameras. Slots: 1, Cost: 3,600¥
    • Winch with Receiving Bay (Shop), Slots: 1, Cost: 5,000¥
    • Extra Entry/Egress Points (Cargo Bays, and Emergency Exits), Slots: 1, Cost: 5,000¥



If you were willing to add an additional 3 Extra Fuel Tanks (3 remaining open slots) your base operational time would go from 480 Cruise/960 Station-keeping Hours (20/40 Days) to an Expanded 840 Cruise/1680 Station-keeping Hours (35/70 Days).
2XS
So what's a gallon of gas go for? How much would you have to spend in order to resupply?

Running COD flights isn't exactly what I had in mind, but it'll do in a pinch, I suppose.
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
QUOTE (2XS @ Oct 15 2015, 10:53 PM) *
So what's a gallon of gas go for? How much would you have to spend in order to resupply?

Running COD flights isn't exactly what I had in mind, but it'll do in a pinch, I suppose.



Does not run on "Gas" and Resupply is not a "consumable" per se.
Regardless, it is subsumed into Lifestyle Costs. In this case, Luxury Lifestyle.
The above is an example of what you can do with the premise you threw out. smile.gif

Not sure what you mean by "COD Flights."
Link
Picked this up in the scream-sheets.
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/roman-ab...nyc-2013-2?op=1
2XS
I get that stuff doesn't actually run on gas; that was a short of tongue-in-cheek way to ask how much it would cost to refuel or recharge a vehicle. It just seems odd that they list a 6hr operating time limit for most drones, then give you ways to extend it with increased efficiency, extra fuel cells, solar chargers, and grid link, but don't give a price (or even a method) to refuel your drones. No in flight refueling, no tanks that can transfer fuel from one vehicle to another, or anything along those lines apart from the nebulous "specialised tools" mod which is kind of like beating the problem with a stick forged out of Handwavium.

CODs were small cargo planes we used in the Navy to fly supplies out to a carrier while underway. Mostly it was used for mail; they weren't very big.
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
QUOTE (2XS @ Oct 16 2015, 01:32 PM) *
I get that stuff doesn't actually run on gas; that was a short of tongue-in-cheek way to ask how much it would cost to refuel or recharge a vehicle. It just seems odd that they list a 6hr operating time limit for most drones, then give you ways to extend it with increased efficiency, extra fuel cells, solar chargers, and grid link but don't give a price (or even a method) to refuel your drones. No in flight refueling, no tanks that can transfer fuel from one vehicle to another, or anything along those lines apart from the nebulous "specialised tools mod which is kind of like beating the problem with a stick forged out of Handwavium.

CODs were small cargo planes we used in the Navy to fly supplies out to a carrier while underway. Mostly it was used for mail; they weren't very big.


It is assumed to be covered by your monthly Lifestyle upkeep. Otherwise it becomes Accounting 101. smile.gif
Never on a Big Carrier, but I did enjoy the Peleliu (LHA 5) whilst I was upon it.
2XS
I was on CVN-72, the Auschwitz von Lincoln... I mean ABRAHAM Lincoln! I hated that canoe, lol. I still have nightmares.
KnightAries
QUOTE (2XS @ Oct 16 2015, 12:32 PM) *
CODs were small cargo planes we used in the Navy to fly supplies out to a carrier while underway. Mostly it was used for mail; they weren't very big.

They are still used to carry personnel, equipment, and various other cargo's.
Grumman C-2 Grayhound

QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Oct 16 2015, 12:35 PM) *
Never on a Big Carrier, but I did enjoy the Peleliu (LHA 5) whilst I was upon it.

The Pel was our Flag when I was on the Dubuque

QUOTE (2XS @ Oct 16 2015, 12:50 PM) *
I was on CVN-72, the Auschwitz von Lincoln... I mean ABRAHAM Lincoln! I hated that canoe, lol. I still have nightmares.

You and me both. Besides being the most non-moving (very rarely felt the thing unless we were at high winds; high seas) ship I've ever been on; it also seem to be trying it damnedest to kill me with broken dogging handles on the QAWTD's.
I was on her for her last deployment before she went in the yards for refueling. (I was part of the Airwing for my deployment's on her)
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
QUOTE (KnightAries @ Oct 16 2015, 08:07 PM) *
The Pel was our Flag when I was on the Dubuque



Not a bad ship... I was a passenger, though. Marines have very little to do on a ship, after all... It was a pleasant and relaxing cruise, totally different than the Tuscaloosa was - I really, really, REALLY hated that ship. smile.gif
2XS
We only had Marines aboard the Lincoln once when I was there. A training air wing. The ones I met made me think I'd joined the wrong branch. Great guys. I'll never forget what's-his-name...
KnightAries
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Oct 17 2015, 11:24 AM) *
Not a bad ship... I was a passenger, though. Marines have very little to do on a ship, after all... It was a pleasant and relaxing cruise, totally different than the Tuscaloosa was - I really, really, REALLY hated that ship. smile.gif

The last deployment I went on; our Marines were so bored that they were volunteering to work with Navy and do shipwork.

I didn't go on the Dubuque's Decomm cruise but from my understanding they kept a small unit of Marines on board to work with the small boat crews and VBSS teams to do non-compliant shipboard raids to try and hunt down Somali pirates.
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