Yeah, but it's okay if they're retroactive

I've got an oddball political stance... fairly liberal but pro-gun-ownership. I figure I should put a decent amount of trust in the government to handle things like policing the streets, managing health care, and the like... and make damn sure that if we're going to give our government that much power over our daily lives, the tools for revolution are firmly in the hands of the populace.

Amen brother!

So instead I should have asked my rich daddy to buy me a gun? LOL

Don't forget that we haven't even examined the accuracy of the report. I gave up on accepting news reporting after my local paper called a WW2 Vintage M1-Garand a semi-automatic assault rifle.

I agree with Hyzmarca (Aside from the Communist thing. Dude, WTF?) we must be ever wary of state power, but I am also a firm believer in the old maxim "Never blame on malice what can be explained by stupidity".

The BATF shouldn't be detaining anyone, this kid was wearing gang like colors, he ran from the cops, and did something that prompted the agents to wrestle him to the ground. And some other relavent facts were probably omitted.

The kid acted suspicious and the BATF overreacted (something they do too often), but somehow I don't think the freedom of American Republic is mortally endangered.

Hey, he's wearing strange colors... So are the "cops".


Look at that picture. Those two are not uniformed officers. The only colours they're displaying are their badges. Easy-to-miss badges. Two big white guys start running after me with guns, you bet your ass I'm gonna haul mine. And in the middle of a "run-for-your-life adrenaline rush, you really think I'm gonna listen to two people who may or may not be telling the truth yelling "Police! Freeze!" especially when all the evidence I have at my disposal says they're a couple of crazy middle-aged wiggers coming to bust a cap in my ass?

Then you'll likely end up on the pavement with a boot in your neck.

That, or I'll do something really stupid and draw my super-secret ninja sword..... Or, you know, my concealed carry piece, flip behind some cover, and yell for someone to call the police.


THAT would really confuse them. Then you get a three-way mexican standoff between me, BATF Street Judges, and the real po-lice.

It probably wouldn't take long for BATF and the PD to team up and grease your ass.

In Georgia?


Remember what comes out of the South.

Moonshine and Tobacco.
Remember what the South imports?
Firearms.


BATF agents in Georgia are about as welcome as Halloweeners at a Lone Star Picnic.

Yeah, especially to the police, those drunken tobacco chewing gun bunnies!

I'm just saying, the police are as likely to order everyone to drop their guns as they are to team up with BATF doughnut-munchin' thrill-seekers who're getting their jollies trying to sit on the necks of local students.

And of course, it's blatantly obvious that those BATF agents were nothing but doughnut-munchin' thrill-seekers who're getting their jollies trying to sit on the necks of local students.

A picture is worth 1,000 words, but apparently some of us read differently.

Dude, neither of them are wearing uniforms. A couple of middle-aged guys open the festivities by pulling their pieces and shouting at me, yes, I'm gonna run.

The smart response would've been to walk up to me and say "Uhhh, wanna take that mask off, buddy?" If they were really paranoid, they could call the campus police, who would say "yes, he's been to the ninja versus pirate event. Let him go."

No, they opted for neck-sitting.

1) We don't know that's how they "opened the festivities."

2) We have no idea why they are on his neck. I doubt it's because that's how they get their jollies, although it's definitely possible.

Sure, there's other ways to handle things. But there always is. Without knowing the details it's impossible to say to what extent their reaction was justified without using some sort of prejudicial "knowledge" of how "doughnut-munchers" usually operate.

They're BATF agents. They're like the apophrycal tale of the FBI's computer-programmer for fifteen years getting so excited that some muggers tried to mug him and trying to pull out his badge and scream "FBI! FREEZE"! that he didn't realize what he was brandishing was his photo of his girlfriend.

Excellent! Now we have all the facts.

If I'm surprised by a random person pointing a gun at me from a few yards away, I'm probably going to do what they want.

If they're any sort of real distance away, and I've got any sort of escape nearby that looks bulletproof (like, say, a campus building in the scenario we're looking at), there's no way in hell I'm sticking around to find out WHAT they want, if their opener involves pointing a gun at me.

Regardless of everyone's personal expected reaction to this situation, the ninja in question decided to totally flip out and run away when confronted with people we can all largely agree are not immediately visually recognizeable as police officers.

An on-topic story turned into yet another flamefest.

Ah, Dumpshock, you never cease to amaze me.

To be honest I have seen too many cases of policemen doing routine work being shot by some dick who dosen't want to get a parking ticket or jaywalking citation or whatever to be remotley surprised when they draw on every bugger and their dog. If you want cops to be all touchy feely you first need to figure out a way of stoping assholes shooting at them at the drop of a hat.

I am against members of the ATF kneeling on some kid's neck, though, It should have been clear by the time he stopped that he was not going to try anything.

I haven't seen any flaming yet. A few sarcastic comments, but it's nowhere near the flamewar stage.

The odds are pretty good something happened to make the cop kneel on his neck. Just because we're trained by a sensationalist media to think that all cops are evil bastards doesn't make it true.

it also doesnt make it false.

I suspect that cops have a fairly normal distribution between good and not so good people.

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

I was close. Had to look it up on another forum, wherein they usually get things wrong anyway.

Thanks for the correction.

Damn that sensationalist media, making people think that it's a bad thing when a cop kneels on the neck of someone whose only crime was against fashion!

It's not senationalist, per se; but rather it's just another example of the Jew-run liberal media.

*dives on SL James' Grenade in the hopes that it will be ignored and not turn into an incindiary flamewar or a thread-lockage.*

How disappointing that you think so little of your fellow dumpshockers.

Or worse: The Drop Jew Thread. >_<

Why is it okay to generalize behavior when it is the police? Nobody can get away with it when it's another group... that's like saying all muslim clerics promote suicide bombings.

Because police don't have large amounts of political pull, not anti-defamatory groups to fall back on.

Which flame warrior are you? I'd estimate about about 25% of posters are Xenophobes, 20% are centurions, and a very vocal 5% are trollers.

Y'all think it's possible that he's kneeling on the kid's neck because, when the picture was taken, he hadn't ascertained if the kid was armed or not yet? I mean, potential for police brutality aside, most cops I've met are pretty thorough when it comes to "making sure the guy can't really move around until I know he's not a threat anymore." They like the whole "not getting stabbed" thing, you see.

Which flame warrior am I?

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No! It can't be psosible! Nothing a federal agent ever does can be good!!!

YOU SUCK!!!!!

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ATF agents are not cops.