What's changed in the Tir since the source book came out? I've heard some rumors that their economy has hit the skids. Is that true? What else has changed?

Thanks for your time,

Thanos

Hestaby is on the council of princes.

Tir Tairngire got a serious update in SoNA, where the consequences of the close borders policy came to a head. Other events led to Aithne and Lofwyr abandonning the Council of Princes (further detailed in DotSW) and unexpectedly Hestaby joining (also further developed in DotSW). Ehran also announced he would be resigning from the Council in the near future. Did I mention the revolutionaries running round?

The most recent reference is a small note in the Seattle writeup of SSG's Global Report.

Tir is currently in a massive push for tourism and nuyen as they've opened their borders and scheduled a new Rite of Progression (like that's not more about tourism than politics). Current megacorporations are using the (more) open door policy to buy out the weakened Tiran corps and Shadowrunners are making use of the increased travel to sneak across.

Political tensions are pretty high, as well. Not only is Hestaby on the Council, and Erhan leaving, but Jenna is priming a candidate. Also, Garth Stone has finally made a move to stand on his own two feet instead of bowing to Lugh.

You can keep current on Tir (and the world) with the NSI (Issues 1, 2, 3, and 4).

Basically the closed border and the lack of real trade outside TT have really caused the situation to deteriorate with the difference between rich and poor getting much much wider.

The trouble is the have are much more likely to try and hold on to what htey have than to yield ground to make things better.

There's going to be or was a new Rite in either 2062 or 2064, I can't remember which. This is the first one since it was postponed.

The Abstruse One

so basicly the place have gotten a bad dose of reality

kinda liked the place (alltho i lost my book)...

so now it will turn into yet another corp infested, corruption ridden runners paradise, YAY

i guess its time for me to pack my hermetic librarys, my deck and get on south of the border

have they added a stop on the bullettrain from san fran to seattle?

No, infact they are trying to keep a tight rein of people finding out how their elven paradise has nearly collapsed.

-- Some of the backstory for the Tir updates hinges on the now vaporous status of Mike Mulvihills novel . . . Which is too bad as it's really interesting (and I'm not a particular fan of the SR novels or metaplot). I haven't seen SoE so maybe they had clearance to release more of the details regarding the backstory events and the machinations of Lofwyr and the Princes.

-- Note that some of the Tir events I had no control over as it was part of the novel and we were just staying ahead of the metaplot curve. Which didn't bother me as it was cool
-- I was not a particular fan of how the Tir was originally presented to be honest, Shadowrun at least tries to have a thin veneer of authenticity and realism and I think it failed those tests (Oregon is simply not self-sufficient for a technological economy and its political climate was already unstable in 2054!). I'll admit I went into it with some ideas to "blow up" Tir Tairngire but that wasn't very realistic and ended up less plausible (within the SR context) then the original Tir. Just as in SONA you had to approach it from a "ok, some of the original stuff doesn't make any sense and is contradictory to boot, how can we fix it without saying "Dannicker was a lying SOB" and the original author was insane?

-- Look, you have to admit that the original Tir was a little over the top regarding the difficulty of entry and shadowrunning. That sort of defeats the purpose of having the area in a game called, oddly enough, Shadowrun. It was the orders from on high that these areas be "opened up" and given a bit of spice (my words, not theirs) to make it more gamable. I consider the Tir to be my biggest contribution to the Shadowrun canon (you never hear people talk about Salish-Shidhe for example heh) and I'm really happy with how it turned out -- although I wish the rules for Sperenthiel and Carromeleg had survived editing

I wonder what the OTHER Ti (you know...Nan Og, which for some reason they always put the "n" in the wrong place) thinks of Tairngire's troubles...

How do you say Tairngire anyway. I always make it sound like tangerine.

Hmm.... a group of elves, outcast from both Na nOg and Tairngire move south to start their own new elven country. After discussion and a taste of the local crops, Tir Tangerine is founded in 2065.

Tihr (long eihre sound) Tahngrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

That's how I've always sort of pronounced it.

This suddenly brings the question, is there an SR pronounciation guide anywhere (we had a 4 page thread at fanpro about pronouncing Lofwyr).

Don

Low-f-veer, seeing as he's based in Germany...

Tier Tay-urn-guy-er is how I always pronounced it.

Just my guesses though.

The Abstruse One

-- I always pronounced it "Tear Taih-ahrn-gire"

We had a thread about this on the previous incarnation of the boards, I believe. Unfortunately, I can't find whatever website I pointed to then, but I believe it is pronounced "Tear Tairn gir eh" with the Rs short and rolled, accent on the first syllable of the second word.

At least, that's also how I remember it being pronounced in the Celtic Literature class I took ages ago.