A player in my group recently came up with a character, who for the purposes of this thread, is pretty much a slightly weaker version of the wallhacker, having a power of 30 with his handblades, which has caused me to take a more indepth look at barrier ratings, which has left me with a few questions.
1) what exactly is hardened material and when is it appropriate to encounter it?
2) where exactly does one draw the line between regular and heavy structural material, and what would the standard office building of 2060 be made of?
3) Is the barrier rating of security doors(2x the rating of its construction materials) [SR 124], meant to make sense?. After all how can a door be made twice as strong as a solid wall of the same thickness and material?
4) Assuming the barrier rating of security doors does make sense? isn't this still kind of pointless in most cases, as one would be able to in most cases simple bash through the wall next to the door with much greater ease, unless my idea of security doors is incorrect and it refers only to full blast doors and similar things, where there most likely wouldn't be a wall to bash through that would get you where you want to go.
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For #2, most normal office buildings will have structural material. High-rises will have heavy structural material. Anything meant to support several tons more than typical (helipads, etc.) will probably have heavy structural. Keep in mind that most of the building won't be this grade, just the framework and columns will be.
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1.) Hardened material is appropriate anywhere there is risk of fire or smash-and-grab theft. Storage warehouses are usually made of poured concrete 1-2 feet thick. Large buildings with open areas or very tall builidings need it for structural support.
2.)Regular unless above conditions are met.
3.) Yes, doors aren't load bearing and heavy structural material is a fairly generic term. You don't often find walls made out of solid metal.
4.) Thickness. The door is between 1.75 and 2.25 inches thick for a non blast door. The walls can be downright huge.
5.) Power 30? How? Remember two things, if you are using the rules in CC about two weapons, they supplant the rules in the BBB for cyber implant weapons. Also, barrier ratings are doubled against edged melee attacks.
2.)Regular unless above conditions are met.
3.) Yes, doors aren't load bearing and heavy structural material is a fairly generic term. You don't often find walls made out of solid metal.
4.) Thickness. The door is between 1.75 and 2.25 inches thick for a non blast door. The walls can be downright huge.
5.) Power 30? How? Remember two things, if you are using the rules in CC about two weapons, they supplant the rules in the BBB for cyber implant weapons. Also, barrier ratings are doubled against edged melee attacks.
Unfortunately for the sanity of everyone concerned, #5 is only partly right. There is nothing stating that the rules for dual cyberweapons in CC supplant SR3.
~J
~J
Sorry, too many crack nuggets. Current house rule and suggested bad idea by shadowruninfo but Kage is correct, not cannon.
Rule #5 is one of the things that should be erratted to either +50% power, OR +50% Dice (but not both.)and must be declared before rolling, and used that way for the entire initiative round. But that's just my opinion. Otherwise it's so munchkiny.
However, just because he has a power of 30, it does not mean he can carve a path from one side of Fort Knox to the other.
I'd make two opposed tests.
One being the power of the attack against the barrier, as per the rules
The second one an opposed test between the barrier rating of the Handblades and the Barrier rating of the structural material. Every two successes on the attack would add one level to the barrier rating of the handblades for the purpose of breaking through. Whichever barrier loses this opposed test becomes damaged. So a heavy structural door with a barrier rating of 12, doubled for edged weapon attacks, becomes 24.
Hand blades would probably have a barrier rating of 10 (Same as Titaniun Bone lacing maybe). Good against a lot of materials, but would shatter against heavy structural materials.
However, just because he has a power of 30, it does not mean he can carve a path from one side of Fort Knox to the other.
I'd make two opposed tests.
One being the power of the attack against the barrier, as per the rules
The second one an opposed test between the barrier rating of the Handblades and the Barrier rating of the structural material. Every two successes on the attack would add one level to the barrier rating of the handblades for the purpose of breaking through. Whichever barrier loses this opposed test becomes damaged. So a heavy structural door with a barrier rating of 12, doubled for edged weapon attacks, becomes 24.
Hand blades would probably have a barrier rating of 10 (Same as Titaniun Bone lacing maybe). Good against a lot of materials, but would shatter against heavy structural materials.
Just figure that handblades/cyberspurs are made of the same material as jackhammers....
Most normal walls should still be made out of Regular Structural Materials, ie bricks. Floors should be concrete but not too thick so again Regular. The Walls of Fort Knox are probably RC, so Heavy Struct. Materials.
IRL, a cubic meter of structural grade concrete costs about $50-100, depending on where you are.
Most normal walls should still be made out of Regular Structural Materials, ie bricks. Floors should be concrete but not too thick so again Regular. The Walls of Fort Knox are probably RC, so Heavy Struct. Materials.
IRL, a cubic meter of structural grade concrete costs about $50-100, depending on where you are.
With that kind of strength, there's no real need for them to be sharp anymore…
~J
~J
Hardened Material is used not in Fallout shelters (protection from radiation), but in Blast shelters. Consider the shelters used to protect equipment and people when testing explosives. Those are Hardened. You'll also find it protecting the underground government facilities that are meant to survive anything but a direct nuclear explosion.
The places using Hardened Material are protecting someone or something from the weapons of war and terror.
You'll also find Hardened Material on some small things. Perhaps a few safes in the Seattle area.
Doors for people and vehicles are not made out of structural material. Doors for people and cars can be made out of Heavy Material (normally Rtg 6), but with extra metal or plasti-steel added until it becomes a Security Door with effective Barrier Rating 12. Such a door, when put into an external wall made of Structural Material will provide the same protection as the wall.
If Corporations could get extra protection by simply calling things "Security Doors", they'd make the entire external surface of their building from doors.
If you have a character that can make hand-attacks with a power of 30 without hurting himself, then you're playing in a campaign where walls and doors are no longer an obstacle for the team. Presumably such a hand attack would sound like a freight train striking the wall.
Corporations will seek to clone the skin on his hands, because pound for pound it'll be the toughest material known to man.
When he's about to be run over by a freight train, he can survive by hitting the train first.
The places using Hardened Material are protecting someone or something from the weapons of war and terror.
You'll also find Hardened Material on some small things. Perhaps a few safes in the Seattle area.
Doors for people and vehicles are not made out of structural material. Doors for people and cars can be made out of Heavy Material (normally Rtg 6), but with extra metal or plasti-steel added until it becomes a Security Door with effective Barrier Rating 12. Such a door, when put into an external wall made of Structural Material will provide the same protection as the wall.
If Corporations could get extra protection by simply calling things "Security Doors", they'd make the entire external surface of their building from doors.
If you have a character that can make hand-attacks with a power of 30 without hurting himself, then you're playing in a campaign where walls and doors are no longer an obstacle for the team. Presumably such a hand attack would sound like a freight train striking the wall.
Corporations will seek to clone the skin on his hands, because pound for pound it'll be the toughest material known to man.
When he's about to be run over by a freight train, he can survive by hitting the train first.
Nope. When a vehicle is Destroyed it slows at some multiple of its Acceleration speed, but does not stop. Thus, the freight train, while totally destroyed, would still run over and kill the wallhacker-lite.
~J
~J
about number 3,
i think it makes sense because the door is designed specifically to prevent people from breaking though/ shooting through. A wall is not really designed to prevent those things... but it could be
i think that the difference in barrier ratings is just different engineering and using more resistant materials.
i think it makes sense because the door is designed specifically to prevent people from breaking though/ shooting through. A wall is not really designed to prevent those things... but it could be
i think that the difference in barrier ratings is just different engineering and using more resistant materials.
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