toturi
Oct 30 2004, 01:14 PM
I tried to look for the damage codes for the Druid sickle and the shields that Riot police use. No Canon damage codes so what are your suggestions? And what skills should be used when using 1) sickle and 2) shield?
EDIT: Sorry about the shield question, answer was right under my nose.
BIG BAD BEESTE
Oct 30 2004, 02:14 PM
I'd use the survival knife damage code - the sickle is a bladed weapon and about the same size as that.
Ancient History
Oct 30 2004, 04:53 PM
Riot shields exist in SR...if not in the Cannon Companion, then try the new SOTA64.
Sickles? Most of them are ornamental, otherwise I'd treat it as a sword.
Ol' Scratch
Oct 30 2004, 04:56 PM
Riot Shields are in black-and-white in the SR3 sourcebook, right where you'd expect to find them (in the Armor section of the Gear chapter). Read the description for the Damage Code and special melee rules.
Sickles are just glorified knives specialized for cutting grain and the like. Survival Knife stats sound good to me.
Botch
Nov 2 2004, 05:23 PM
| QUOTE |
| Sickles are just glorified knives specialized for cutting grain and the like. Survival Knife stats sound good to me. |
Nope, not at all, totally different beasties unless a ferrari is just a glorified mini.
okay, we'll make up stats for sickles, then. they've got a crazy-ass blade, negating any reach they might otherwise get, so reach 0. they're made for cutting grain, not flesh, so L damage. the blade is pretty long, though, so we'll give it +2 power.
so, reach 0, (Str+2)L damage. sound about right?
Nikoli
Nov 2 2004, 05:48 PM
Actually, that blade design is remarkably good. Farmers in the middle ages conscripted would often attach their sickle to a pole and use on cavalry horses and knights. The Kama is the asian version and does a decent enough job to be considered a martial arts weapon.
However you are dead on about the lack of reach, I would say Str +1M
Botch
Nov 2 2004, 06:16 PM
| QUOTE (Nikoli @ Nov 2 2004, 06:48 PM) |
| Actually, that blade design is remarkably good. Farmers in the middle ages conscripted would often attach their sickle to a pole and use on cavalry horses and knights... |
What the blade is awesomely good at is cutting tough, fibrous and sinewy cylinders that often flex easily. Cutting a soft bodied rigid cylinder (aka limb) is even easier. A variant of the sykle "family" was actually responsible for an empire-wide redesign of roman helmets. Weight for weight the sykle family have more cutting power than any other melee weapon even those that are considerably longer and/or heavier.
The problem with sykle variants is that whilst they will cause much more damage, they are harder to wield effectively in combat and this isn't reflected in SR.
i was actually just making a joke. you might note that my sickle has the same stats as a survival knife. looking at the survival knife's other stats, though, i don't think it's a very good fit. for instance, the survival knife has a conceal of 6.
Nikoli
Nov 2 2004, 06:35 PM
Those style blades are like the Kukuri dagger, you can remove a man's head with a single chop as you do not need to decelerate inthe swing. It maximizes the force placed on the cutting edge.
Also, mfb, we can't tell a joke from an attempt as serious discussion without smilies as some folks might agree with your estimate as they may suffer the same lack of faith in utilitarian design that evolved the scythe and sickle (and other related implements) over the centuries.
Botch
Nov 2 2004, 06:42 PM
Heh, heh it wasn't so much that the (I think hungarian) blades could cut off a head, it was that they would cut straight through the helmet, skull and down into the top of the shields. The helmets had to have triple thickness armour reinforcement, with some campaign specific upper body armour mods thrown in for good measure.
Nikoli
Nov 2 2004, 06:43 PM
The point is, the lofty military minds of the time underestimated the farmers conscripted to defend their home or what-ever patch of dirt they were ordered to defend.
Botch
Nov 2 2004, 06:48 PM
It wasn't farmers the very successful roman army was beaten back by, it was their armed forces who had developed a very dangerous forward curving sword/axe. The defenders were only beaten when the romans used a scorched earth policy on their land and civilians.
Nikoli
Nov 2 2004, 06:50 PM
Those kooky romans
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