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AK404
Doing some research for a piece of fiction I'll be working on in my spare time and I was wondering a couple of things (since I don't have a ton of sourcebooks on me):

1) What're Saeder-Krupp's holdings in UCAS? Do they have any major holdings in Detroit?

2) What shape is the Windsor-Detroit relationship in 2060, what with Windsor now being a part of UCAS? How's the river itself? Polluted, clean, toxic? What the hell lives in it?

3) If a AAA company man screws up an important job and escapes the mandatory .45 caliber headache, can one safely consider them hunted by their former corporation, or are they just not worth the money? What if that person isn't just a company man but is very highly placed in the corporate military (like a Red Samurai or a member of the Firewatch team)? What happens to their past records and SIN? From the SRC, I'd assume that all traces of their existence would be purged from the corporate databases, but I really want to make sure.

4) When should a corporate employee be considered 'worthy' enough to have deltaware implants?

5) Last questions. When did elves start popping up (with the exception of spike babies) in the Sixth World? When did Tir Tairngire become a nation? Was it still possible for a baby of one metatype (like a dwarf) to be born from parents of a completely different metatype (like humans) in the 2030s (no goblinization, just "It's a baby dwarf/ork/elf/troll")? (I don't have my sourcebooks on me at the moment) And when do elves "stop" aging?
FlakJacket
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1) What're Saeder-Krupp's holdings in UCAS?  Do they have any major holdings in Detroit?

I'd expect they have very few holdings in Detroit, and what they have will either be hidden behind shell companies and/or used as staging points for espionage against Ares. Detroit is basically Ares-ville, Knight controls practically everything except the Mob there. And even they have to tread lightly in central Detroit proper.

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2) What shape is the Windsor-Detroit relationship in 2060, what with Windsor now being a part of UCAS?  How's the river itself?  Polluted, clean, toxic?  What the hell lives in it?

Windsor got incorporated into Detroit as a district of the 'plex. Basically the joining went without hitcheces but to protect the economy the city governments asked and got the Federal government to declare an exemption for gambling in Windsor whilst still being illegal in the rest of the UCAS. Its evolved into a pretty tight symbiotic relations- Windsor relying on Detroit for government services and admin, and Detroit on Windor's tax revenues from the casinos. The main casinos are the Windsor, Windsor Raceway and Northern Belle - a permanently docked riverboat on the Detroit river. Naturally, they're all pretty much tied to the Mob in one way or another.

On the river, there's no real say-so, but from what I can tell it's pretty clean. The chapter mentions that Knight likes to put Detroit across as his model city, nice and tidy. On the river itself, there's the casino and Bell Isle which Ares owns. It's mainly park and nature reserve with a number of tourist attractions. The main one being the Zoo and Aquarium, as well as a couple marinas for boating and yatching on the lake and river. And since it mentions that a lot of Ares execs do this, I figure they'd keep the play area nice and clean.

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3) If a AAA company man screws up an important job and escapes the mandatory .45 caliber headache, can one safely consider them hunted by their former corporation, or are they just not worth the money?

Again, cost to benefit ratio. Is there anything in it for them? Does she have know stuff they don't want let out of the family, maybe they just want to set an example for others this time, maybe their superiors just take it personally and start a little vendetta?

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What if that person isn't just a company man but is very highly placed in the corporate military (like a Red Samurai or a member of the Firewatch team)?

Ditto.

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What happens to their past records and SIN?  From the SRC, I'd assume that all traces of their existence would be purged from the corporate databases, but I really want to make sure.

Depends. They'd definately be taken out of the general records yes since it'd be bad PR/face is this new runner is traced back to them. But I could see them being stored in a very secure/classified section ,of the corps security division so if ever anyone runs a search, whilst they'd get a message back saying no matches found, it'd set off silent alarms/flags in the sec divison. Plus they keep it just in case they ever might run into them again.

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4) When should a corporate employee be considered 'worthy' enough to have deltaware implants?

When the extra cost of using that grade as opposed to lesser grades is worthwhile to the company. Be it either financially, necessity- their new security goon/bodyguard on has so much essence left or they don't want to drop below 3 or to make it harder to detect, or psychologhically - either as a reward for top execs to show how above the 'normal people' they are or for employees they want to make feel wanted.
Abstruse
Elves and dwarves started showing up in late 2011 along with Ryumyo. Orks and trolls showed up in 2021. Any metatype can be born to any other metatype, but it's extraordinarily rare. Maybe a dozen or so in the entire world in a year. Usually an ork or troll will be born human then goblinize. Elves stop aging about somewhere in their 20s, some as young as 20 and some as old as 28 or so. Well not exactly stop aging, but slow down considerably. That's why Ehlron and Harlequin look like they're much older for elves. They still age, but much more slowly.

As for the company man, odds are the corp wouldn't actively hunt him unless he had knowlege or equipment they wanted back. If he was a Red Samurai or something like that, they'd definately want him in a bodybag because they spent a lot of time and money training, equiping, and cybering him up. They wouldn't want all that going to another company or to the shadows, esp. with his detailed knowlege of their security proceedures. Even then, it would be rare for someone on that level to leave the corp. They're usually deep into the whole corp mindset or else they wouldn't be trusted in that position. To leave the corp or have the corp go against them would be a betrayl on the level of Judas to the corp or the company man.

If he wasn't in the elite guard and didn't have any information that was worth the time and cost to retreive or silence, they'd probably not bother hunting him down. However, they wouldn't pass up the oportunity to cack him if it came up. If he was an Aztechnology Johnson that botched something and ran, he'd better not step into the pyramid for example.

The Abstruse One
AK404
Thanks, abtruse. Just thinking a bit more about it, that's all. Doing up a story about a former corp military woman from SK. According to the SR Mil site, they're called Black Dragons, which is what I'll be using for the work. Thanks.
Fortune
QUOTE (Abstruse @ Sep 3 2003, 08:53 PM)
Usually an ork or troll will be born human then goblinize.

Actually, most Orcs and Trolls are now born to parents of their own metatype, not as humans but as Orcs or Trolls. The rate of goblinization has decreased dramatically since 2021.
Abstruse
I meant rather than being born as an ork or troll to human parents (as with elves and dwarves), they'd be born as human and then goblinize. It's still incredibly rare, but that's how it would happen the rare times it does.

The Abstruse One
AK404
Ah, let it pass. I've decided on something else for the kid.
Fortune
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I meant rather than being born as an ork or troll to human parents (as with elves and dwarves), they'd be born as human and then goblinize. It's still incredibly rare, but that's how it would happen the rare times it does.

Ah, ok. Although rarer these days, that type of birth is still much more common than any other metahuman giving birth to a child of a different metatype.
AK404
Hm. OK, wait...not a lot of SK in Detroit, right? How about Canada...er, what was supposed to be Canada, like say, Windsor or Toronto?
FlakJacket
*Points to the whole Windsor being absorbed into Detroit sentence/paragraph*

As for Toronto, lets see... Third largest financial centre in the UCAS after New York and Boston. Home of the countries entertainment business and area for varied high tech matrix and software companies. Also has its own Shadowland node. I'd be highly surprised if SK wasn't heavily- albeit quietly- represented somewhere like here.
AK404
Hm, that might be fun. Thanks, Flak.
Talia Invierno
You've got dates and such for the rest. As for Detroit, Target: UCAS is out-of-print, yes? Shadowrun: Detroit
FlakJacket
Is that considered strictly legal? Or did they get a pass from somebody? question.gif
AK404
OK, Flak, here's one. Can a company woman leave a megacorporation on good terms? How about someone from the corporate military?

See, I've kinda run into a snag. There's a point where the mian character's CO tells her, "Look, we all love ya, but you've got...problems."
FlakJacket
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OK, Flak, here's one.  Can a company woman leave a megacorporation on good terms?  How about someone from the corporate military?

Huh? Since when did I become the expert all of a sudden? smile.gif

You have any ideas yet on what the problem might be? There's several ways it could go, and depending on the reason e.g. possibly psychological, that could affect things as well.
AK404
Well, Flak, you've got experience in this department than I do. grinbig.gif
Curugul
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If a AAA company man screws up an important job and escapes the mandatory .45 caliber headache, can one safely consider them hunted by their former corporation, or are they just not worth the money?


Haha good one. AAA company men sure as shit aren't gettin capped for fucking up. Thats the worst cost to benefit in existance... The 'ware, magic, and training most company men have is huge. If they did (likely would take a few big) things intentionally against their corporation, they'd get reprogrammed with simsense, and even then its gonna only be a small amount of change, not like a full personality wipe. You don't break your computer because it fails to print once. It makes no sense. AAA are all about the $.



Curugul
AK404
Unless, of course, the company man screws up by discovering that a corp exec's embezzling funds or doing something that isn't benefitting the company's image any. Tries to take care of matters himself, gets caught up in something bigger than he is, and shifted into a very bad position by said crooked exec. Then the cost-to-benefit ratio becomes quite clear.
FlakJacket
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If they did (likely would take a few big) things intentionally against their corporation, they'd get reprogrammed with simsense, and even then its gonna only be a small amount of change, not like a full personality wipe.

Yeah, but can you be a hundred percent sure that it's completely effective? That it wont wear off or go slightly wrong in the future? Because otherwise they can never be completely sure of this guy. There'll always be this niggling doubt that he could freak out some time.

Having someone that's voluntarily completely loyal to you beats forced loyalty any day of the week. I mean, would you entrust the guy with important missions or valuable knowledge after this?
AK404
More or less, Flak. Right now I'm in the process of writing out what this character's had to go through in the Black Dragon Academy - SK's little torture chamber/boot camp - and one thing I've noticed that all SpecOps have in common is that underlying tone of loyalty, loyalty, and more loyalty. Superior training and equipment aside, I'm getting the feeling that it's that devotion to crew, commander and company that makes them so dangerous.

Yeah, you can probably brainwash a 9-to-5 company man, but when it comes to trying to do the same to a SpecOp? No way, Jose. I mean, if came down from the top, I'm sure the soldier might think it was appropriate punishment for letting down the team (or it might be the straw that breaks the camel's back, I'm not sure), but if the orders came from a dubious source...well, then they might have traitors in their midst, and they know what to do with traitors.
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