I have a player who wants to make Biowere for his charector. Like insted of paying 50K for a superthiroid gland he wants to have a biowere shop and high bio tech and then just make himself a cultured organ, then pay some street doc to put it in him.

Any one have a player do this before?

How would I handle this?

With the word "no".

~J

Fine, fine. All you need to do is have him steal/acquire a cloning lab, a geneticist, and some sample tissue, germ cells, and/or copy of the proper genetic sequence! Then he can go about acquiring the raw, sterile material he needs, grow the body, harvest the organ, dispose of the corpse, and hire some street doc to stick it in him!

Honestly, he'd do better to have a decker break into a shadow clinic's files, set him up with an appointment, and charge it to somebody else's account.

LOL, thats great. Thanks for the good advice.

But really, can this be done?

Actually I believe the words are 'Frag No!'

At absolute MINIMUM, it's not going to be a shop, it'll be the facility. As has been pointed out, you need to make it a high rating facility at that, so increase the SI, avail and cost accordingly.

Then you start hiring the full time geneticists and you get your hands on the DNA sequence.

He'd have a better chance building his own thunderbird.

Tell the character those prices were for a general cyberware shop. Bioware is not mentioned in that book. He learned about bioware in M&M, so he should use the rules and prices in that book. They are near the end of that book.

Ahhhh.... You can kinda do that.

I have a player in my game that is a Medic, who owns a Rating 6 Alpha clinic, has Biotec 6, Medicine 6, and full appropriate cyberware. She still can't building Bioware, because she doesn't have a Beta clinic. But she's getting there!

JaronK

Jeebus. That character must have been around for a while..?

No, starting character (and yes, you can start with all that and it's legal). She's a medic/face, with appropriate cyberware (microscopic vision, enhanced articulation, etc) and contacts, and lots of medical abilities. She's got a lot of money to make before she can upgrade to a beta clinic though.

JaronK

The player can very well have his own "shop" level for personal bio-ware growth and instillation.

But there is something that is a definate consideration.

Like many have pointed out here. A facility and the staff are the ideal situation in which to have these operations done.

However, he could do it on his own on a smaller scale without much of a staff to talk about save for a street doc or something.

The issue he's going to have is that all this REALLY CRAPPY bioware is going to have a REALLY HIGH chance of either:
A) killing him
B) giving him hellish side effects much worse than normal

and then there's the operations which can suffeciently install the bioware but is going to possibly:
A) have a HIGH chance of killing him or causing infection
B) screw him over for possibly months on end from recovering from improper surgery methods.

In Shadowrun, there's always a possibility to do something.
The issue is, whether or not you really want to do it that way considering the results.

Would it be cheaper?
Maybe in the long run if you are only talking about the bioware itself and not any operations to save his life from the bad bioware and sloppy operations.

Would it better?
This is where you defeinately can say "No". It would suck so bad that I'm not sure why someone would want to do this...but hey...to each their own.

Yes he could.

he would need skills biotech and biowear production at high values and he would need to obtain threw means fair of foul a surgical facility capable of producing cultured biowear. Man and machine will have pricing guidelines for that item it will be in the order of one hundred million nuyen. More on the streets. On the plus side if you where to acquire the facility you could probably get a teem of street docks that would do all the work you need done for free in exchange for free access to your facility negating the need for the skills.

In short, its just not economical

As to the validity of saying NO. you get less follow up questions if you explain why not in excruciating and humiliating detail.

And its fun.

Edward

As just a note though:

There is nothing wrong at all with characters running large organizations.
Corps, labs, security agencies, etc...

They need the appropriate background for it and the GM has to work closely with them in character creation to make sure things are in relative balance with other such organizations in the Sixth World.

I myself have ran a character who ran a fairly large organization of militia meta-human activists.
It was really fun. I did end up having to run away and go into hiding at one point with the rest of our group (who were part of the organization as the elite members of the militia).

The way that there was such a large group under my control was simply done through a contact tree.
I had a few contacts who had a few contacts who had a few contacts and so on down the tree.
Each of the players had at least one contact inside of the organization.

This was our way of doing it.
There are others...for instance.
The GM simply allows you to do it.

Sure you are big-shot-johny corp owner.
Great.
You're worth millions or billions.
Great.

Now there's this thing that happens and you are slung into a story where you are running around with runners who may or may not be corporate runners, trying to accomplish something because everything has gone horribly wrong.
Aztechnology has basically waged war on your corp and you have to go into hiding and you are bound and determined to personally get them back.

Stuff like that.

You can also use the player who is the "Big Shot" to set up the runs for the team.
Why does he/she go on the runs personally?

As SR3 says, some of the runners out there do it simply for the thrill.

It's all possible. It's just not normal by any means.
All it means is that your group is playing a VERY HIGH powered campaign with BIG BIG chances and potential BIG BIG consequences and losses.

Along the lines of what Stumps said, in addition to running a corporate big shot style campaign, you could also probably run a campaign as a street doc and his/her gang of protective thugs. While these sorts of alternate campaigns could be cool however, they rarely are unless all the players and the GM are in on it in the first place, rather than just changing the whole game to fit one player's whim.

Just want to point out that some industries make composite information available freely, like the auto industry where the components need to meet exact performance standards. It is possible to take a lens cap from an old model A Ford get it 3-d scanned for a fee, purchase the plastics according to the exact specs Ford has on record, then reproduce it on a small injection mold costing no more than 10k. I have a friend that does just that out of his garage. He made an extra 30k last year in his spare time. Not that making plastic parts is the same as making bioware or silicon wafers, rather, my point is not to shoot down a player's idea out of hand just because you don't like the idea. As a GM I would say sure, but make him do some real life research. See how much it would take to set up a stem cell research lab, just as a close equivilant. It might at least just be fun to know why research is so expensive?

My guess is that you will need a deep freezer able to store samples in liquid nitrogen, you will need incubators able to control humidity, heat, and pressure, powerful microscopes, computers, software, robotic test machines, centrifuge, seperaters, what nots, gizmos, etc...plus space and a comercial power source. I don't see those machines running off a a 220v service line like we get supplied to our homes? I doubt 10k will cover the basic gear land if you don't have good equiptment you get penalties for producing anything of value.

A Cray can take $900,000 a month to operate for power, cooling, and maintenance, for reference when factoring upkeep and power/etc.

~J