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Moon-Hawk
A bit lighter and more frivilous than my usual questions, but...
What's the highest initiate grade you've played, GMed, or seen played?
Also, what are the quoted ranges of IEs & GDs? (for those of you with these numbers at your mental fingertips)
Thanks.
hahnsoo
Grade 6. The mage only had a magic rating of 8, though, losing 4 points of magic total from various sources (all non-cyber/non-bioware). Oh, and that same mage HOGged as well.
Bigity
Um, like Grade 3 in my games. Any more then that and things get a little more powerful then I like to run/play.
Tanka
At the moment we have a Grade 5 Adept, but we haven't played with that group of PCs for a while.
Moon-Hawk
The highest I've had is an adept who was Grade 6, but I misread a but of the book and let him mix the initiation with the 20karma/Power point rule. (the book mentions that initiation & that rule shouldn't be mixed) So he also bought three extra power points from that, so he was kinda like a Grade 9.
No cyberware or bio, he actually had 15 points worth of adept powers.

Second highest would be a grade 5 shaman.
(these are both with me as GM)

Highest I've played as a PC is, I think, 4.
Kagetenshi
Grade 1.

~J
Fortune
Grade 11 Racoon Shaman, but he gave up a few points of Magic due to Bioware.
iPad
We have a grade 6 or 7 Cat shamen in our group.

Harliquin or Ellian the Scribe havent technichally appeared in our game yet but theyre like grade 80 - 100 odd.
Demosthenes
I had a grade 6 physad wandering around at one point (all enhanced senses and detective-type stuff out the wazoo).

Somehow, even with the huge initiate grade, she wasn't all that game breaking...
BitBasher
Grade 6 in my games in one campaign. other than that campaign, grade 3.
Wireknight
My longest-played PC, who's completed several(probably two dozen) full campaigns in addition to dozens of one-shots, cameos, and other such roles, has an initiate grade in the low-to-mid double-digits.
The White Dwarf
Our highest was grade 5 or 6, its been awhile. Weve had a few characters make it up that high. The limit isnt due to power or advancement constraints, just that by the time we get that high we tend to get bored with the group and start a new one. If we ever managed to run a longer continuous party Im sure it would get higher.
BitBasher
QUOTE (Wireknight)
My longest-played PC, who's completed several(probably two dozen) full campaigns in addition to dozens of one-shots, cameos, and other such roles, has an initiate grade in the low-to-mid double-digits.

up to mid double digits? wow. multiple thousand karma. How old is the character? I don;t see how he could live long enough to spend it with times to increase skills and all.....
Moon-Hawk
Not everyone uses training time rules. I would like to hear the exact grade on this beast, though. Low to mid double digits is a pretty big range.
Wireknight
Games-wise, I've played him for... over ten years. Jesus, I (and Shadowrun) am old. The character himself is in his early fourties.
The Burning One
I've seen a Grade 13 Initiate in one of our games.

I refuse to offer any comments beyond that as invoking said character's name might draw the player's attention and I never want to see that character again.

TBO
Mercer
PC: Grade 4, though it was only for one session. The highest I've seen played up is 3. Our campigns usually run about a year, so characters tend to cap out around there.
Shadowrunner13
QUOTE (The Burning One)
I've seen a Grade 13 Initiate in one of our games.

I refuse to offer any comments beyond that as invoking said character's name might draw the player's attention and I never want to see that character again.

TBO

I'm seriously considering an Initiate Grade cap in our group at this point. Pass this point and you can start considering retirement...

SR13
spotlite
Grade 12, but we NPC'd him at Grade 10 (at the point he became an immortal elf - yes its a house rule, no i don't care how cheesy it is, it worked in the campaign at the time!).
The character concept was Emperor Palpatine (I SAID I didn't care how cheesy it was. Pipe down at the back!).

Yes, he did earn the karma, no he didn't have any real skills beyond his magical ones. Since he's Eeeeevil and an NPC he also has a potency rating, which will be going up soon now he's located the whereabouts of a trapped shadow spirit he can bargain with (which took a rating 12 metaplane quest - which very nearly killed him. That was a fun day for me as the GM!). The player gets to play ON HIS OWN every now and again to further his evil ends, and then I let the results feed back into the current campaigns I'm involved in. Works for us!

Typical max grade now amongst our players tends to be around 3-4.
Zeel De Mort
My Physical Adept got up to 13 in a previous campaign (under SR2 rules) and when we left it the group was on the metaplanes, so I'd imagine he'd have gone higher after that.

In the current campaign one character (Magician's Way Adept) has got up to 13 so far as well, and looks like going further.

8-10 is more typical.
Foreigner
Sahandrian will probably kill me for posting this, but:

As you all know, we play a Play-By-AOL-Instant-Messenger/Play-By-IRC version of SR3 in our campaign.

My character, "The Foreigner", is an Adept of the Magician's Way (Hermetic), and a follower of the Invisible Way as far as his Adept powers are concerned (as if you didn't already know wobble.gif ). However, he hasn't yet initiated--he doesn't have enough Karma Points.

The highest-level characters of which I am aware in our campaign are Ceres, a Grade 1 initiated Physical Adept/Cat Shaman, and Malkav, a Grade 3 Physical Adept/Coyote Shaman.

AFAIK, both are currently inactive.

(My first and only 'run--so far--was in July and August of 2003, but I'm not certain whether or not the other players continued without me. smile.gif )

--Foreigner

DocMortand
Currently in my game the highest is a level 3 Raccoon Shaman (wave hi, Lina!)

Highest when I was a player - 0. The GM kept killing us off or letting us kill ourselves. I managed to get my fox shaman enough karma to initiate - and failed to bond. He then died in the next mission. *doh*
Crimson Jack
My group has a grade 4 phys/ad and a grade 7 mage, and the toughest they've gone up against is a grade 9 initiate.
LinaInverse
Currently a lvl 3 Initiate. Now need to start broadening my spell arsenal, then Foci next.
Critias
QUOTE (Moon-Hawk)
I would like to hear the exact grade on this beast, though. Low to mid double digits is a pretty big range.

It'll just give you nightmares.
BitBasher
QUOTE (Critias)
QUOTE (Moon-Hawk @ Jan 27 2005, 12:50 PM)
I would like to hear the exact grade on this beast, though.  Low to mid double digits is a pretty big range.

It'll just give you nightmares.

The only thing that'll give me nightmares is figuring out how he spent the karma accounting for skill increase times. That's about 100 years worth of karma expenditure or more! smile.gif
mfb
actually, increasing your initiate grade takes, by the rules, no time at all. though that character does have quite a few skills at high rating.
Cynic project
I have seen 7 on a PC..Said PC was the crazy powerful shaman of dun dun mouse!
Crimson Jack
QUOTE (Cynic project)
I have seen 7 on a PC..Said PC was the crazy powerful shaman of dun dun mouse!

dun dun mouse?
BitBasher
QUOTE (mfb)
actually, increasing your initiate grade takes, by the rules, no time at all. though that character does have quite a few skills at high rating.

Right, that's what made me curious. With that much karma just on initiation, he'd likely spent piles on skills and spells. What with the couple years it statistically takes to learn a single level 12 spell, god forbid the learning times of skills in the double digits.
Brazila
One PC in our old group got up to Intiation grade 9. He was a shapeshifter with a temper and kept getting dropped and losing magic. He had a magic rating of only 9!
mfb
huh? why would it take years to learn a single force 12 spell? 24's a pretty high TN, but if you do a metamagic quest first for extra dice and then karma it a few times, it shouldn't take more than six months or so.
BitBasher
QUOTE (mfb)
huh? why would it take years to learn a single force 12 spell? 24's a pretty high TN, but if you do a metamagic quest first for extra dice and then karma it a few times, it shouldn't take more than six months or so.

Well, cause a lot of games don't allow karma for downtime activities...

And your odds of rolling a 24 ar something like 1296 to 1 on any single die with a base time of 12 days.
mfb
oh. well, those types of games also aren't generally the types that reach the level of karma wireknight's character has, so it all balances out.
MagicalGirlPrettyMatt
My raccoon shaman is up to either three or four, and she's been more or less retired for a while. We had a trio of shamans that got pretty far up there in the initiate grades, and they've been unofficially retired save for runs where we know we'll need the firepower. We seriously like broke our GM from being able to karma away most anything he could throw at us.
ShaunClinton
In my current campaign we have a Grade 13 Physmage, Grade 10 Physad, Grade 9 Physad and a Grade 9 Mage.

Highest Grade was under SRII when one guy had Grade 15, when converting to SRIII he came down to about Grade 12 or so though.

Johnny Reb
Grade 3's teh highest that I've ever seen.

The Great Dragons get 'great' status at Initiate 10, with few being higher than that. Dunk was about a 20 and the single strongest magician around. I don't think anyone else is higher than 15 at this point.

-- johnny Reb
Cochise
Off-Topic:

QUOTE (Moon-Hawk)
The highest I've had is an adept who was Grade 6, but I misread a but of the book and let him mix the initiation with the 20karma/Power point rule.  (the book mentions that initiation & that rule shouldn't be mixed) 

No, "the book" doesn't mention anything like that at all. That's only FAQ-material and subject to debate at that ...

On-Topic:
  • In what I consider "serious" gaming sessions: Grade 6 on player side
  • In what I consider "my usual and prefered gaming experience": Grade 4 on player side ...
  • In what I had to consider as "too stupid to bother with it more than one session": Grade 94 (no joking there) on player side
mfb
without getting into the argument about what grade immortal initiates should be, Johhny Reb's info is a bit off. according to DotSW page 180, most GDs are at least grade 10; the promotion to great isn't automatic. i'm also unsure that it's ever stated that Dunk was the greatest magician around--as best i recall, that title actually goes to Harley.
BitBasher
Actually it explicitly states in either H or H's Back that Harlequin is not the most powerful magic user on the planet.
thepatriot
I once ran an epic campaign for 4. The femme fatale was a magician adept who ended up earning initiate grade 9 before I whisked her into the clouds (The player had to quit because her husband thought we were up to no good. Shame. We knew her first, dammit!)
Johnny Reb
QUOTE (mfb)
without getting into the argument about what grade immortal initiates should be, Johhny Reb's info is a bit off. according to DotSW page 180, most GDs are at least grade 10; the promotion to great isn't automatic. i'm also unsure that it's ever stated that Dunk was the greatest magician around--as best i recall, that title actually goes to Harley.

Dunk was said to be the best magician of the dragons (A title now in Lung's claws, I'd wager), Harley the best of the Immortal Elves, and the leader of the Black Lodge the most powerful human magician (He's 13th rank Initiate)

No idea on the other metas, tho.

-- Johnny Reb
NightHaunter
One of the players in one of my campaigns became a level 8 warrior path adept. eek.gif
He was retired to NPC status shortly afterwards. biggrin.gif
He went hand to hand with a gang of force 7 mantid spirits and won!!!!!
tisoz
Had a grade 7, give or take a grade, pysad in second edition. I forget exactly because of that silly grade 0 thing.

Grade 5 in 3rd edition.
Wireknight
Not to hijack the topic, but I do believe that Dunkelzahn was likely the most powerful magician on the planet prior to his sacrifice. I'd actually say that Lofwyr holds that title now, as they were, to my recollection, the oldest and most arcana-focused (gathering lore, learning new spells/rituals, etc..) of their race. Lung might also be that potent, though. His history isn't as defined.
Nath
QUOTE (mfb)
actually, increasing your initiate grade takes, by the rules, no time at all. though that character does have quite a few skills at high rating.

Actually, MitS states it's up to the GM to decide how long it takes, and that there should be some times between the gain of karma and the initiation. It might a day or an hour if the GM decide to, but not no time at all (oh, sure, there's also that line in the rulebook saying the GM is free to do, decide and ignore everything he wants, but using this one wouldn't let a lot of things to be discussed on these boards). So rules allow a GM to decide that initiation requires <(grade) months>, and with that you woouldn't see anytime soon a PC challenging a Great Dragon with an Initiate Grade of 10.
Ancient History
I've had an initiate up to Grade 12 myself, but that was only once.
fistandantilus4.0
I've always wondered what you could get if you never initiated, and just put all of that karma straight into sorcery and high force spells. THere would be some definite disadvantages. No centering (but you could make up for that with higher will up to a point), no shielding (although a higher sorcery could help with that a bit as well). Masking wouldn't be as much an issue, because people would look and go "oh, not an initiate.Ok, well this guy's no biggie", which could lead to some underestimation, which is always good.
Just wondering if anyone has ever gone that route, and how it worked out.


Currently working on Grade 7 by the way.
As just a little tanget, what metamagic do you prefer the most? And the least?
I know shielding and masking are big ones for me. Anyone use sensing or geomancy for anything?
Aes
So far, the highest we have in the PnP campaign I'm in is 3, if memory serves. I know I promised myself my PC would put a bullet through the head of the first to reach 5, just so they don't start getting god complex nyahnyah.gif
Sahandrian
QUOTE (Foreigner)
Sahandrian will probably kill me for posting this, but

I only kill people in-character.

But anyway, here are the initiation numbers for any magic characters I know of in our group...

Grade 6: NPC. a sadistic mage who was stalking the cat shaman
Grade 5: NPC. Yakuza mage I built based on the SRC cover art
Grade 1: PC. the cat shaman
Grade 1: PC. Epoc, the eternal munchkin
Grade 8: NPC. adept I made trying to recreate Jean Jacques-Mondo from the anime "Spriggan"
Grade 3: PC. my coyote shaman
Grade 8: PC. ninja-wannabe adept
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