Arethusa
Feb 13 2005, 06:47 AM
Fresno Bob
Feb 13 2005, 07:23 AM
Those sunglasses are nice, but I wouldn't pay $210 for them.
Oh, I see, the frame is made of Ruthenium. Cute.
Solstice
Feb 13 2005, 07:56 AM
meh they cost less than my oakleys
Fresno Bob
Feb 13 2005, 08:11 AM
I don't wear sunglasses. They look bad on guys with mohawks.
Fortune
Feb 13 2005, 01:28 PM
They go great with mullets though.
paul_HArkonen
Feb 13 2005, 02:34 PM
let's not start that here.
um, just curious, if Ruthenium is just a silvery metal that is extremely expensive where do the SR people get the color changing aspect from?
Tanka
Feb 13 2005, 03:25 PM
QUOTE (paul_HArkonen) |
let's not start that here.
um, just curious, if Ruthenium is just a silvery metal that is extremely expensive where do the SR people get the color changing aspect from? |
Magic.
It's the answer to everything!
paul_HArkonen
Feb 13 2005, 03:26 PM
actually I would think the cardinal rule, "don't apply logic to the rules of SR" would apply, but whatever.
Tanka
Feb 13 2005, 03:43 PM
Granted, I'm fairly certain Arethusa was being sarcastic, but that's just me.
Arethusa
Feb 13 2005, 05:08 PM
See, what happened is that during the Awakening, the Ruthenium got very angry...
Fresno Bob
Feb 13 2005, 08:17 PM
Well, when a man and a woman love each other very much...
Tanka
Feb 13 2005, 08:29 PM
And then the Ninja flipped out and killed everybody, then commited seppuku!
Fresno Bob
Feb 13 2005, 08:51 PM
By folding a frisbee in half and shoving it down his throat.
Arethusa
Feb 13 2005, 08:57 PM
Guys, look! There's a ninja choking on a completely played out joke from four years ago! I don't think he's going to make it!
Toshiaki
Feb 13 2005, 08:58 PM
Yum, dikoted frisbees....
Fresno Bob
Feb 13 2005, 09:24 PM
QUOTE (Arethusa) |
Guys, look! There's a ninja choking on a completely played out joke from four years ago! I don't think he's going to make it! |
Oh hush.
Arethusa
Feb 13 2005, 11:21 PM
Oh, come on, you know I love you*.
*May not actually love you.
Fresno Bob
Feb 13 2005, 11:30 PM
You may not!? But I can change, baby! I can change!
DarusGrey
Feb 14 2005, 12:02 AM
Ok..if I may inspect some seriousness to the subject of this post..this is how I imagine it would work.
the ruthenium acts basically as a mirror, the polymer is extremely thin sheets of LEDs based over a thin ruthenium layer thats over a plastic/cloth base.
Then you have your Super Computer interacting with the cameras to light the LEDs to reflect off the ruthenium layer the appropriate image.
Creating the "invisability" effect.
(several companies already have *real* suits that function like this and give partial invisability, I don't know if any of them specifically use ruthenium though..)
(edited in: and by partial invisability I mean along the lines of predator in the movies..very much obscures your vision but you can easily see once you spot him)
psykotisk_overlegen
Feb 14 2005, 12:08 AM
I believe the magic lives in the word "polymers"
Edit:DG beat me to it.
Toshiaki
Feb 14 2005, 12:44 AM
QUOTE (DarusGrey) |
(several companies already have *real* suits that function like this and give partial invisability, I don't know if any of them specifically use ruthenium though..) |
Could you give a source or link to info about the real-world companies with these?
DarusGrey
Feb 14 2005, 02:59 AM
Small ArticleI'm sure people have seen that one before, thats just the most readily availible example, web searching for invisability brings up all kinds of funky stuff to sift through(ugg).
Arethusa
Feb 14 2005, 03:52 AM
It's been posted here before. The suit is not self contained and revolves around a projection setup. Among other things, it requires a large external camera setup and only works from a single angle. It's interesting, but it has very little to do with ruthenium as described in SR.
DarusGrey
Feb 14 2005, 05:25 AM
Well..of course it does, for one I know they've bettered it quite abit, I read something recently to that effect, but its the basis of how ruthenium works (in the future).
They both operate on the same basic principles, and this will someday lead to something thats as "effective" as ruth suits in the SR universe.
(thats also not the only company working on such a project)
Arethusa
Feb 14 2005, 05:45 AM
Same basic principle? SR ruthenium is a flexible display screen. The jacket you linked to is just a reflective material that requires an external projector. The materials have nothing in common whatsoever.
DarusGrey
Feb 14 2005, 04:54 PM
That *is* the same basic principle, both regardless of how..are projecting an image to reflect off the (in SR's case, ruthenium) layer to give the illusion of invisability, flexible LEDs are more efficent for sure, but they both work in the same way.
Tanka
Feb 14 2005, 04:56 PM
They don't work in the same way. They don't even provide the same end result.
Ruths offer high concealability on whatever they're covering and can be moved with little-to-no effect (depending on speed and number of cameras on the suit).
The suit we have today is stationary only, requires a projector system and is a reflective material -- not a vision-modifying material.
DarusGrey
Feb 14 2005, 05:08 PM
QUOTE |
The suit we have today is stationary only, requires a projector system and is a reflective material -- not a vision-modifying material. |
Again..they both work in the same way..I already previously stated that the SR version is obviously more advanced (because unlike current days, it has the projectors built *into* the cloth). But its *still* the same basic principles of operation.
You have a reflective surface, you project an image onto that surface to create an illusion.
The SR one works in the same way, only with the benefit of super-computer power level cameras and a flexible LED surface with enough processing power to be able to adjust the projected image in real time.
edited in: What is a "vision modifying" material? both the RL ruthenium and the SR description say its a "reflective" material.
Tanka
Feb 14 2005, 05:12 PM
When I last read it, it changes itself via electronic signals. When off, it looks like a regular pair of gray cloth.
I read it as, literally, cloth that changes colors depending on the electronic signal being sent. Not as a reflective material.
Nath
Feb 14 2005, 06:18 PM
Some mix including Ruthenium does have optical properties, but rather the opposite: they
absorb light in all the visible spectrum (so not at all reflective, but the opposite). They're studied for solar energy appliances.
As for displaying images on clothing without any projector, it's bulky, not very flexible and has a low-resolution (which in turn prevents any attempt of 3d illusion), but the best we have nowadays must be those:
http://ft-phototheque.fullsix.com/jlbweb/i...19/IMG15919.JPGhttp://ft-phototheque.fullsix.com/jlbweb/i...25/IMG15925.JPGhttp://ft-phototheque.fullsix.com/jlbweb/i...30/IMG15930.JPGIf you had camera to pick up the environment tones, you should get something.
DarusGrey
Feb 14 2005, 06:56 PM
QUOTE |
Some mix including Ruthenium does have optical properties, but rather the opposite: they absorb light in all the visible spectrum (so not at all reflective, but the opposite). They're studied for solar energy appliances. |
Yes..but to create an illusion you need to reflect light, if the SR version of the material was the same, it wouldn't have the invisability properities, but would instead be very visible(since light concentrates on the point).
(i.e. well thats neat to know, i don't believe its related to the subject at hand, as you say, it has the opposite effect ;>).
Sadly SR is very(needfully) vague on the actual composition of the material.
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