I was wondering, we know about Hawaii and Australia, Indonesia and parts of China and Indochina, but any ideas about what happened on those little spits of land that never had an indiginous population until the coming of the west. Pitcairn Island, Easter Island have native populatinos that were transported there, but what about Midway Island and the Wake Atoll?

With the loss of Hawaii and CFS the UCAS might increase the focus of NAS Wake. to have a listening post/base in the Pacific.

In 1939 it was planned to be a sea plan bace and subpens.

A brief blurb on Easter Island is in Target Awakened Lands, but its brief, and doesn't go into the population too much.

Good question, my bet this is where Synner or one of the other freelancers show up, get all mysterious, tell us we'll be seeing more soon, and poof! They vanish. Pesky little buggers.

SALT water! HAH!

If you look really hard you can find heavy water as well.

The pacific has less island than the Alantic. At least that is what I hear. But I could be wrong.

I'd imagine that the Great Dragons involved with controlling the Ring of Fire would be interested in the small islands of the Pacific. Other than that, I can't imagine anything else happening that isn't already happening today. I would like to know how Fiji and New Zealand turns out.

Good question, Snow (nice to see ya back). As far as I know there's no canon plans for the central Pacific right now, though Easter Island might get some space in Shadows of Latin America given who owns it.

There are a number of US (plus some French and British) atolls and islands in the Southern and Central Pacific, most less than a couple of miles across (and some are so low-lying they're actually in danger of going under in the next hundred years).

I've actually used one of the sunken atolls and WWII subpens before, for my own version of the movie Deep Blue Sea (Parashield was using the facility to genetweak and cyber sharks and the team was there to bodyguard the exec that goes into evaluate the project's progress).

Hmmm.
There arew more actual islands in the Pacific than the atlantic, but the ocean is so much larger they are more spread out.
A lot of the islands in the Pacific were never successfully charted until the end of the 19th century. People would find them but their math was wrong and they'd chart them in the wrong place. The Wake Atol was "found" at least 4 times before the US Navy accurately charted it.

The Wake atol is so low lying that it is almost invisible to aircraft without navigational beacons, but it has 20 miles of coast line and today it has an airstrip that can handle F-14's and smaller commercial jets.

This is an interesting theory...
http://www.bloopwatch.org/

hmmm. I'd forgotten about old Cthulhu-not something a smart girl should do- but you're right, that raises a whole new set of possibilities.

Could be wrong, but didn't one of the books say that the US had withdrawn from all their overseas bases back to the continental US?

Hmmm. I guess at least soem atolls fell victim to the rising sea levels following global warming and the likes. Others may house corpfacilities, but at least some of the old military bases the US had in the Pacific would still be used by state military, albeit most likely by Imperial Japan and not the UCAS, CAS, or whatever other American splinter there may be.

Though, some former US logistics bases may also have gone independent and now be "airport isles" where everyone flying over the Pacific can land, get fueled up, and most likely buy/sell goods of douptful legal nature in the attached shantytown and black markets. Where corp teams meet mercenaries and the likes (tropical Kronstadts, if you want). Interesting idea, ne?

The reference about the overseas bases most likely was more referring to bases in Europe, Japan (including Okinawa) and Korea.

Reminds me: is there still a UCAS pacific fleet (likely based in Seattle)? If so, where would their port be? Does Seattle even have a substantial military port in 2063?

Everett.

It's the Neo-anarchist Guide to North America which said something like "by 2035, UCAS had no military presence anywhere outside of North America." I may not have the exact text in front of me, but I can swear the expression used is "outside of North America".

Funny, the closest mention to Mu so far is the Lovecraft lovers' site.

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Where's Jack in the Box Island? I've always meant to do something with that sucker.

Making my once yearly post, i thought i'd chime in with my $0.02

There a lot of islands in the pacific, so it'll depend on what kind of campaign you want to run around it.

A quick glance at a rough oceania map shows just roughly how many different countries are there.

Given that currently at least 2 of these countries, papua new guinea and nauru are almost entirely dependant on
aid from other countries I'd put either of them as a corporate enclave, you could almost copy out the chapter from SONA about Tsimshian and substitute either of these. The sheer number of cultural groups mean any attempt is almost doomed unless they have some really good idea's for blackmail

Hell you could base entire campaigns about how a visiting group of runners create hyperinflation in the local economy, wait for the collapse, then buy out the country and sell it to some evil corp.

Almost of the small little islands could be the above ground presence of a underwater corp facility, the rest being underwater under the atoll.

Plus i'd like to know what happened to bikini atoll when magic hit the earth, or for that matter what happened at most testing sites, i know there was some mention in T:AL about the two australian sites, but I can't remember any other mentions.


The places i'd really like to look at would be the remote islands south of australia and new zealand, those places are totally out of the way, maybe like Macquarie Island , halfway to antartica from oz, should be a nice corp research base, especially in winter when no research scientists could leave without getting frozen.

I'll resume my lurk mode now

Wake or midway might be better, but I can see that deveolping. I'm suggesting those because they are further from Asia and do not have indiginous people as a population.

Wake was originally occupied as a stop over for Pan-Pacific flights for the nacent airline industry in the 1920's A hotel and desalinization facility were set up for the bi-weekly flights and advertisments plugged it as the fisher man's paradise because of the shallow lagoon and the availability of deep sea fishing just beyond the island's protective reef as the sea dropped away qucikly. this made it a stone bitch to adapt to a real airfield (Pan-Am used seaplanes) with 1930's technology but it could make a great free market.

Wake and midway are both partway between the Aemricas and asia and the airfields couldn't handle the biggest airliners or suborbitals so it keeps to smaller craft, and disuades larger ships. Midway is more on the shipping lanes so for extralegal activities Wake might be more popular with the shadow community. hmmm.

One island airport that certainly could handle the biggest of Shadowrun's planes would be Diego Garcia.

Hmmmmm ...

Maybe someone should write a Target: Island states book or something to that effect ...

For far flung British possessions, there are the Falklands (staging area for smuggling to Amazonia) and Pitcarn island.

Who the hell would use the Falklands? The Azanians?

Argentine, maybe? It's more a matter of pride than anyting else, though ... the Falklands just have nothing much to offer. But beats me, that's ana rea of the world that has really not been covered, with all the fuss about Mesoamerica (Aztlan) and stuff ... guess we'll have to wait for the SA book to explain this ...

Flak, my whole point is that the UK's remains in shadowrun aren't able to maintain any presence in the pacific, indian ocean, or whereever else. Britain is half uninhabitable, it has serious threats right at it's doorstep, it has lost Northern Ireland to the Elves already, and Wales is considering to follow suit, Scotland is a weird magical anarchic zone anyway ... yeah, we seem to have different views on these things.

And if German military units can go rogue (Council of Marienbad), I guess, any other western force's units can. Of course, Britain could maintain Diego Garcia nominally, but rent it to corps, the ICC, or whoever would be willing to pay for it - like Japan.

I Foresee the Second Falklands War, where the proud remains of the British navy are attacked by Mitsuhama, part of a blatant yet complicated vote-grabbing scheme to become Chairman of the Board.

Any reason you see Japan having such an interest in the place- aside from it's obvious appeal? And on the UK, maybe it's just me, but whilst they've had a lot happen to them I guess I just don't consider them in that much of a bad way. :/

IIRC they've still got Gibraltar so I didn't see much difference between that and Diego.

Why would Japan be interested in DG? Well. As I understand it, Japanm is looking to establish global dominance in the SR universe the same way the Us is in the real world. DG is ideal for any force wishing to deploy long-range bombers to Eurasia and Africa, to station tanker planes to refuel medium-range planes for long-range missions, as a logistics hub for global military operations, by sea and air alike. It also makes for a good high-sea port facility, and even an orbital launch pad if you have the money to make such an investment (which, I assume, JIS has). Plus, three Megacorps and possibly Ryomyo would share the cost.

As for GB ... well, I need to reread the London book and read the Britain chapter of the Europe book again I guess, but the impression I have is that the SR UK is a sorry, defunct, failing state, just like all national states are in Shadowrun (with the exceptions of Japan, Aztlan and the Tirs). But I may be wrong, of course.

I had my runners crashland near Christmas island one time. As it was a major site for nuclear testing in the mid 20th century, I made it a toxic zone, where the team had to fight its way to the abandoned settlement on the northern side in order to repair an old radio and call for help, while a free toxic spirit tried to trick them into cracking the seal on a nuclear repository so it could spread radioactive goo around the island.

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Smuggler's Havens has a bit on which Corps have interests in the pacific especially when it comes to their arko-bloks. One might figure that a few of them have also bought out any nearby land areas for staging areas for construction or other similar activities.... And who knows what else they might be constructing out in the middle of the ocean away from prying eyes...

Those aren't pirates.

Context. Jesus...

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