Initially, they thought of going FULL underground, but then somebody had the idea of putting castle-style arrow slits in the roof with HMGs, and they went for it like lemmings for a cliff. Go figure (also, there was some TMNT jokes that helped in the later choice).

In the middle of the Pullyaps? You sure? The Seattle Metroplex Urban Comission EVER even looked at sattelite pictures of it? I don´t think so. Well, maybe I´m wrong. Maybe they are worried people, who cares about the social and economic impacts of a bankrupted-and-never-finished little mall dissapearing from day to night.

And maybe fire elementals come flying out of my drek factory.

1) The juggernauts are cybered toxic mutant juggernauts before they got invested by the insects(mantis in this case) and the cyber includes Battletac. Note: Juggernauts, plural. Did I forget to say that they have a contact/NPC ally who is a free Mantid Mother?

2) Alchera(which is under the control of the free Mantid Mother and its personal domain).

Yes, for anyone I, as the GM, may send against the PCs.

Oh, don´t worry - that´s what I´m doing. Their NPC team member (the decker security elf) has a LOT of security contacts, and he can give them access to some of the lesser top-corp stuff. When I said I was going to make a list, I meant a list of what was possible for runners with good contacts to acquire - which is their case. Not everything and the kitchen´s sink with the rigged blender.

That´s about what they are trying to do. They kicked the asses of some treatening gang of a terrorized neighbourhood, and now all they need is cooperation and support of the community. In return, they´ll protect them from most external enemies and treats (gangers, tax collectors, paranormal animals smaller than a insect spirit Juggernauts, the likes). It´s good for them, good for the community, and they are in a major character development tone right now. Seems better to me.

Well, I guess they like the idea of what the Avengers and the Justice League would be in an awakened world. I´m thinking this can escalate into a high-power campaign (and I´m going for it), and they like the idea and the mood. We had a lot of real-world-with-superheroes campaigns in the past, and it was really enjoying for all of us.

Your point - which I don´t criticize, for it is a much more subtle and compatible approach to the real nature of SR - isn´t what they want. They want to make a visible difference, they want to be shadowy heroes. More Punisher than Batman, but with the batcave thrown in, just for fun. They want to be protectors, pacifiers and community heroes, while they trash the dark path of shadowruns - maybe to equalize for the work they do for the big corps (fighting their invisible wars where collateral damage is such a commonplace that it´s not even registered in their monthly budget reports), or maybe they just want to be the good guys once in a while.

The Good Fight gave me a lot of ideas on this, and I think they´ll give me the space to make use of them. So yeah, you´re probably right. Maybe they´ll have to leave in a hurry the place where they buried most of their sweated money, but again, maybe not.

And surely not without a fight to the last bullet, dikoted spur and anti-tank missile.

The second option, by all means. It´s a safe place for them to keep all their goodies and makes things easier when they have a meeting with Mr. Johnson.

Also, I think that my wife (who plays an english hot babe ex-singer ex-hooker elf street sam dikoted to the bone) wants to have everybody living in toghether so she can have a SR version of Friends.

Yeah, I know, but she´s my wife, man!

That and I hate sleeping in our lumpy and small couch.

The thing is, even in the four color world of superheros, there is a certain justification to the Batcave and the avenger mansion. Bruce Wayne is rich. The Avengers are funded on Tony Stark's fortune and have some government support. The more realistic 'Ultimate' version of the team has them as a US defense initiative funded by the government.

So basically, the batcave approach financed by scraps of money put together by the team is less 'realistic' than that of the Avengers and yet is set in a more 'realistic' gaming universe... It's quite a dichotomy.

The obvious solution to me is that they need a sponsor. The closest thing to the avengers in canon SR are Assets Inc. , the high powered runner team of the Draco Fundation. They got a base, a powerful funder (formerly Dunkie, now his fundation) and they seem to routinely save the world.

You probably need something like that. Someone with deep pocket and a benevolent agenda recruiting the team to fight the good fight. The patron becomes the equivalent of a Johnson and his wealth becomes the plot device that prevent the team's effort from grinding to a halt whenever they suffer a major financial set back. And let's face it, if you run for the good fight, every run is a financial set back.

Yeah, you´re right. Won´t fight that. But who said SR was a "realistic" universe? I remember when I started playing GURPS Black Ops, and the guys in our local (and now defunct) RPG Forum said it was "absurd and unbelievable". Having hundreds of 800 points uber-agents running around the world fighting alien invaders, Things Man Was Not Meant to Know and paranormal beasts wasn´t something they could accept easily.

But we live (well, at least in SR terms) where dragons not only soar through the skyes, but also through the stock market. Where almost all of South America is united under a metahuman government. Where people can be one with the machine (in more ways that you can think of). Where physical adepts do things we only see in Hong Kong Action Theatre Hour.

If your can accept a New York City where you can´t walk three blocks without seeing a guy dressed like a rhinoceront (a rhinoceront, for god´s sake!) kicking patrol cars aside while being chased by flying people in high-tech armor - and still having to use a fraggin´ PC computer to do your homework, the rest is easy.

So what´s the problem? Wait and see.

Yes, now there´s the problem. It´s too obvious. Where the funding problem (a thing they´ll have to take care of alone, because I won´t be giving free lunch along the way) is just a "minor detail" (at least, until they become something like Assets Inc.), the obvious fortress calls for trouble.

But again, I want to point: they are after trouble. Eventually, Lone Star or anybody else who cares about that black powder cloud hanging forever over a section of Pullyap will be too curious and will want to take a closer look. Or maybe it´s that insisting glow that comes from a shining thousand ejected brass cartridges filling the streets nearby. I don´t know yet.

Then they will have a problem. It may be sooner than they expect it, but again, it may be not.

Like I said, I´m only the GM. I´m not one of the PCs. If they want to build an Avengers´ mansion-style hideaway, it´s their money. I only tell where to buy the bricks and provide the contractor´s name. It´s their money, it´s their life, and it´s their game. I play for them, not with them. Sometimes against them, but only when I have to. When I´m Lone Star, or a offended Mr. Johnson, or any of a hundred rivals. Until there, I only provide the landscape and their supporting cast.

Somebody said that putting all their eggs in one basket was asking for trouble too much - and they´re right. My PCs may be stupid, but not too much. They kept the nice apartment of my wife´s Sammy as a weapons and tech cache, and a last resource garage rented from a friend to stock some of their vehicles.

The whole point here is: they want to be heroes. Not super-heroes. But there´s some flavour in looking a little like super-heroes. They want to go that way. No problem to me. I think it may be funny. Even if they waste everything in the first time they are assaulted by a bunch of Lone Star FRT and/or SWAT teams, it will be fun. Even if they die, even if everything goes wrong. They learn that mistake, and their next characters won´t do that mistake again.

Then they´ll do new ones.

Oh, and I read Sun Tzu. Hope they did too.

Except given the setup as the GM gave us...

"Hey drekhead, you see those bloodstains on the concrete? Those're from the go-gang that _used_ to chill here. You see all those people gathering around outside? The ones with the bats, the lead pipes, and the guns? The ones conviently standing in between you and those nice wheels you pulled up in? Those are the neighbors, who're we're protecting because shucks, we're nice people, and _not_ extorting money from. I'll tell _you_ what chummer, hand over your credsticks, your boots, your pants, that nice jacket you're wearing, and the keys to those wheels, and we'll let you _walk_ out of here. And if we ever see your face around here again, the last anyone else is ever going to see of it will be when the bodybag is zipped up. Now start walking before I send someone to wake up Bubba the luv troll and tell him that you want to make his 'acquaintance.' "

Since this thread was started by the GM, he and certainly not sounding like his plan is to screw the players over hard core, I don't really see a problem with setting up a permanent base.

*edit*
I forgot about the smart ass reply.

"Oh noes! Did you hear that guys? He's going to bust up our abandoned, unfinished shopping mall! Oh please Mr. Toughguy, _anything_ but that! We just got the empty storefronts the way we wanted them!"

But that´s the main idea, hahnsoo - to make life easier for them, having al their stuff toghether, being everybody close to answer a mission call and to get guns and gear. That´s about it. They won´t spend more attention than that to the fortress. It´s prop, a gimmick - not the reason of the campaign or of their lifes.

All I can say to that is gleaming! - would have loved to have been there to see that!

torz x LOL