Dave
Apr 6 2005, 11:01 AM
I don't know the decking rules and as such know next to nothing about decks, the Matrix etc.
So I was wondering about Leonardo's deck, I know it is infinitely better than any other decks available on (and off) the market but does anyone know what makes his deck different to the normal decks?
Narmio
Apr 6 2005, 11:03 AM
His has Protagonist Power, a 1MP utility that means you don't have to follow any rules, ever.
Demosthenes
Apr 6 2005, 11:11 AM
[ Spoiler ]
Viagra

[Edit]Sorry, you meant 'Deck'...

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The Grifter
Apr 6 2005, 10:27 AM
*sigh* Is nothing sacred here? LOL
Snow_Fox
Apr 6 2005, 11:38 AM
It looks like california redwood but it's actually pressure treated pine.
Ancient History
Apr 6 2005, 11:59 AM
Well, since your mean Leonardo and not QUicksilver...Leo's deck is based on weird optical properties. You deck with it, even use otaku abilities with it, just be looking at the damn thing.
Cakeman
Apr 6 2005, 11:08 AM
So, it might not be a deck, it might be an artifact... magic and technology together... *drumroll*
hahnsoo
Apr 6 2005, 03:08 PM
It might be... a horrible plot device in a novel that reads like a bad version of the Da Vinci Code (ugh). Granted, I think Black Madonna actually predates the Da Vinci Code.
It's too bad, too. I'm quite fond of Serrin Shamandar.
Fortune
Apr 6 2005, 05:09 PM
QUOTE (hahnsoo) |
Granted, I think Black Madonna actually predates the Da Vinci Code. |
By at least five years.
lorthazar
Apr 6 2005, 05:41 PM
Leonardo's deck is construct from redwood and has a built in jacuzzi and a lovely awning..... Oh you meant his Cyberdeck wel....
mmu1
Apr 6 2005, 05:42 PM
QUOTE (hahnsoo) |
It might be... a horrible plot device in a novel that reads like a bad version of the Da Vinci Code (ugh). Granted, I think Black Madonna actually predates the Da Vinci Code.
It's too bad, too. I'm quite fond of Serrin Shamandar. |
A bad version of "The Da Vinci Code"? That's sort of like saying "a bad variant of colon cancer".
Ancient History
Apr 6 2005, 07:13 PM
Be fair. Black Madonna exceeds The Da Vinci Code in accuracy, readability, enjoyability, and literary content.
Garland
Apr 6 2005, 08:53 PM
Ouch.
CircuitBoyBlue
Apr 6 2005, 09:23 PM
Wow, on Dumpshock, we hate EVERYTHING.
Cynic project
Apr 6 2005, 09:06 PM
that is not true. At dumpshock we love Ares and FastJack.
RunnerPaul
Apr 6 2005, 09:15 PM
And Pie.
hahnsoo
Apr 6 2005, 09:30 PM
QUOTE (Ancient History @ Apr 6 2005, 02:13 PM) |
Be fair. Black Madonna exceeds The Da Vinci Code in accuracy, readability, enjoyability, and literary content. |
You're absolutely correct.

"Strike that, reverse it" -Willy Wonka
QUOTE (Snow Fox) |
It looks like california redwood but it's actually pressure treated pine. |
that's the funniest thing i've seen all day.
Astelaron
Apr 7 2005, 03:35 AM
Leonardo's deck is made from Orichalcum stolen from Lofwyr. It has been embibed with powerful magic made all the more potent by a Great Dragon that sacrificed himself to save the world. If not for Leonardo's deck there would be no chance the Great Work would be finished, daemons would invade the world, and there would be no System Failure or SR4.
Too bad for Leo the missing Orichalcum really pissed Lofwyr off.
Dave
Apr 7 2005, 08:25 AM
Thanks to those who replied with constructive posts that attempted to address my original question.
DrJest
Apr 7 2005, 08:03 AM
Leonardo's some kind of technomantic genius, so my guess is that his cyberdeck really
is a technomagical construct. No PC would ever be able to grasp the fundamental concepts enough to even use the damn thing, imho.
And btw, I kind of liked the Da Vinci Code. I just wish people would realise that it's a standard adventure story - ie, the facts get bent to fit the plot. Jeez, anyone'd think you were all covert Opus Dei disinformation agents

But Angels and Demons was way better anyway
without having read the book, i can guess what the problem is: many readers assume that the bent or broken facts are, in fact, factual, which makes them idiots, which generates an idiot-oriented background count around the book itself.
as i recall, leonardo's deck allowed him to project his icon in multiple locations at once, made his actions within the Matrix so fast that all other icons appeared to be standing still (even given the Matrix's brain-breaking technological crock-of-crappery, that one's got a special sore spot in my cerebrum) and was generaly omgwtflol.
Demosthenes
Apr 7 2005, 09:46 AM
Having read the book, I can confirm your guess.
A lot of the bent or broken facts are based on "Holy blood, holy grail"...which purports to be nonfiction, despite being so full of holes you could fit Lofwyr through it sideways...
Spoiler to protect those who don't want to know the
big, huge, so-not-obvious-it's-written-in-neon-lights-from-a-third-of-the-way-through-the-book secret ending of the Da Vinci Code.
[ Spoiler ]
The central contention of the Da Vinci Code is that the Merovingian kings are the descendants of Jesus and Mary Magdalene, an idea taken from the grail theory espoused in Holy Blood, Holy Grail.
Never mind the fact that the Holy Grail first turns up as a legend in the middle ages, and initially refers to an ideal social group or contract, iirc. I could be slightly misremembering on the details of that first 'grail' reference, as I came across it when studying Arthurian Literature and Middle High German more than 8 years ago...
DrJest
Apr 7 2005, 11:22 AM
Just on that grail business...
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The grail legends were mingled in with a whole slew of pagan mythology, including a magical cauldron which is where we get the cup shape for it. Nevertheless, there are anomalous reports of Joseph of Arimathea travelling some considerable distance away from Israel in custody of something important (dagnabbit, can never find my references when I need them). Later writings claimed he was carrying the Grail; in fact, iirc, the references are so minor and en-passant that we actually don't know what he was up to.
Demosthenes
Apr 7 2005, 10:43 AM
Grail again...
[ Spoiler ]
I'll take your word for it (honestly), having come across similar information somewhere before...
However, the Da Vinci Code's obsession with this "Sacred Feminine" is going a bit toward the crazy-weird-daft-madness of "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" and similar things.
Whatever Joseph of Arimathea was up to 1969 or so years ago, I very much doubt that he, or the movement surrounding Jesus of Nazareth, were burgeoning pagano-feminists with a healthy appetite for ritual sex etc...
That's not to say that Brown is completely off his tree in his reference to femininity and religion/magic etc, but the main manifestation of that in Christianity took the form of the Marian cult (which is still very strong today).
A much more entertaining read (if no less...erm...controversial, I suppose) for stuff about the whole sacred feminine stuff would be Alan Moore's comic, Promethea (which is seriously very, very good, if somewhat confusing).
All good, weird, peculiar stuff to add to initiatory groups in-game. And it makes an interesting lens through which to view Leonardo's interactions with the Matrix (Decker-as-knight-conqueror assists evil tyrant (Renraku) to capture the sacred virgin (Megaera/Morgan)....)
I'll be quite now, before my metaphor hits me with some pressure-treated pine...
psykotisk_overlegen
Apr 7 2005, 11:34 AM
Back to the topic on hand. Leos deck is better becuase it was concieved by an IE and everything IEs touch becomes almighty.
mmu1
Apr 7 2005, 11:42 AM
QUOTE (mfb) |
without having read the book, i can guess what the problem is: many readers assume that the bent or broken facts are, in fact, factual, which makes them idiots, which generates an idiot-oriented background count around the book itself. |
You're wrong, at least to some extent. The major problem with the book is that the author himself (in a note at the beginning of the book) essentially makes the claim that the story, while fictional, is based entirely on real historical evidence, and that all places and orgnisations depicted in it are real - in effect, that he is writing about factual events, and the only fiction are the characters he uses to tell the story.
Ancient History
Apr 7 2005, 12:27 PM
The major problem with the book is that writing's bad, the plot is see-through, and a bunch of ignorant, barely literate idiots made it a Bestseller.
mmu1
Apr 7 2005, 12:40 PM
QUOTE (Ancient History) |
The major problem with the book is that writing's bad, the plot is see-through, and a bunch of ignorant, barely literate idiots made it a Bestseller. |
All true, but I was just addressing a specific point.
Vuron
Apr 7 2005, 02:40 PM
QUOTE (Ancient History) |
The major problem with the book is that writing's bad, the plot is see-through, and a bunch of ignorant, barely literate idiots made it a Bestseller. |
Honestly this is pretty much the case with almost all bestselling thrillers written these days. Now I'm not going to say that Dan Brown's the next best thing since sliced bread because he certainly isn't but I fail to see why people should blame him for basically following the conventions of the genre (cardboard characters, bogus plots, etc) and being successful with it. It's pretty much like going to see a big hollywood action movie and getting pissed when the action and plot are totally unbelievable.
Yes anyone who thinks the book is great literature or scholarship should be beaten but it's definitely a decent example of the genre and what the genre is meant to do (sell pageturners) and to complain that it's inherently bad is a bit of bad form.
However in comparison I'd say Leonardo frustrates the hell out of people because he so patently breaks all the rules for the reality of Shadowrun. One can suspend disbelief about magic and dragons etc and one can even accept that by dint of thier extreme age IEs and dragons pretty much break the rules of magic etc but Leonardo breaks the paradigm by being an IE that's also insanely good at the one area that humanity was best at : Technology. I think that's where Black Madonna and other books referencing Leonardo really fail.
Demosthenes
Apr 7 2005, 02:51 PM
Yeah, but books about Leonardo don't leave people thinking that the Roman Catholic Church is desperately out to murder the descendants of Jesus and Mary Magdelene...and that Opus Dei is an organisation of incompetent zealot crackpots.
[ Spoiler ]
They're anything but incompetent or crackpots.
And Susannah Clark writes a much better
book than Brown...(especially for burglar-stunning purposes...)
DrJest
Apr 7 2005, 04:22 PM
Don't open if you're susceptible to frothing at the mouth over criticism of Catholic organisations.
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I would question your assertion that Opus Dei are not crackpots, depending on your interpretation of the term. We are, after all, discussing an organisation that:
- a) Strictly limits the permissible reading/viewing material of its members, requiring them to clear a book or movie with a senior member before reading/watching it.
- b) Requires "unreserved obedience to whoever is in charge" of Opus Dei, according to Maxim 941 of their code.
- c) Has supported a number of facist regimes, including Pinochet and (unsubstantiated, based on correspondence exchanged) Franco.
- d) actively seeks to garner wealth - according to their founder Josemaría Escrivá, "Ask the Lord for money ... but ask him for millions! He owns everything anyway. To ask for five million or 50 million requires just the same effort" - yet at the same time advocates keeping the poor just that - poor.
- e) And let us not forget the famous "corporal mortiifcation" technique <shudders>
I could go on, but I won't. I'd actually heard of Opus Dei before reading DVC, mostly due to the kerfuffle surrounding them - what was it, last year? Year before? - over accusations of brainwashing and kidnap. Whilst many of the accusations against OD have been proven false, there remain a number of indisputable facts that worry me greatly, especially since OD are one of the largest and most influential Church organisations, and likely to swing the vote for the next Pope. Given their fanatically ultra-conservative attitudes, this could spell trouble.
Demosthenes
Apr 7 2005, 04:37 PM
In spoiler to protect the innocent...
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Oh, I've no beef with people criticising 'Catholic' organisations - I was educated by Jesuits, and we all know how fond they are of Opus Dei...
(What with the whole Liberation Theology and the debacle back in the 80s with the Pope essentially decapitating and emasculating the SoJ because they wanted to put 'the attainment and preservation of justice' as the primary goal of the Society. Apparently serving 'Justice' and serving God are two different things...
Point c) "Has supported a number of facist regimes, including Pinochet and (unsubstantiated, based on correspondence exchanged) Franco"
applies to many other organisations that are not generally considered crackpot (various US and other governments, for example).
'Crackpot' is a word that I generally apply to organizations that are daft and ineffectual, rather than merely crazy.
OD are certainly worrisome, but what really worries me about the church at the moment is that Ratzinger is basically in charge until they elect a new pope...and he really is crazy...
So I don't disagree with your interpretation of crackpot.
I would question the willingness of OD to go sending assassins off around the world to kill people, however. It's a bit...traceable, I think.
Fygg Nuuton
Apr 8 2005, 11:15 AM
Leo's deck is big, but not too big. all the ladies (and some men) love his deck
i wish my deck was half what his deck is
i only have a stock deck, but its all in how you use it
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