I used to warm up with a .308 Witchita. It's a bolt action pistol with a pleasant heavy recoil. 20 rounds through that, and I could almost treat my .45acp as a .22. I keep wondering if it's all in my head or maybe there's actually something physical that happens after the big recoil I thought maybe something like WW2 pilots that had a natural kind of G-suit built into their legs after flying for a long time. The human body tends to be pretty adaptable after all.

For some reason, I feel it necessary to quote this:

In the past I've had a character get the Ares ELD-AR "paintball" assault rifle and load the capsules with a combo of Narcoject and DMSO. Under the rules system (6D Stun vs. half Impact Armor) it actually drops guys faster than the bursts of live ammo from the Ares Alpha.

Of course, the price per dose of Narcoject and DMSO probably ruins the "inexpensive" part of the requirements. 160 per shot.

It's not the pull on my .25 that I notice so much as the noise. All the bangs and booms of other guns and that has a tiny little 'crack' that sounds almost harmless.

Glock 20 and 29, actually. Haven't had the chance to do much 10mm shooting, but I was pretty happy with the way it works out on the Glock platforms. It's certainly possible it was a light load. The guns certainly had a lot of blast... at a booth in an indoor range, you're approaching "eyeballs pressed back into your skull" levels of blast with a G29.

I've gotten brass hooked up between the earpiece of my shooting glasses and the side of my temple (leaving me to slap at the side of my head, which my brother thought was hilarious), reflexively caught a freshly-ejected .45 casing as it spun towards my head (leaving a nice little red ring in my palm), had casings drop into my shirt and end up resting on my belt, singing my belly (which is why I stopped tucking in my shirt at the range, if I didn't have to) and once had the guy next to me manage to land a casing between two of my left fingers while I was in the middle of a tac mag change in a drill (the only scar I know of from brass, a nice little darker patch of skin just below a knuckle). Fun stuff

Are we allowed to bring any weapon we want to that contest?

IIRC Hitman 2 had a suppressed Ruger mk. 2 you could take. It was fun to use although the way it was implemented in game it wasn't accurate enough to be useful.

So, yes, if my Shadowrunner could be bald and use a suppressed Ruger mk. 2 I'd consider that to be bonus.

BERETTA (one "R"). How dare you defile fine italian craftsmanship with your cheapass mags, if you're milspec then this has to do with the inferior Checkmate magazine contract which was recently ended in favor of a new contract from Airtronics. The sure options for quality magazines are Beretta Factory, Meccanica Del Sarca and Mec-Gar (best and from same small northern italian town). Any popular gun has magazines available from poor 3rd party manufacturers and thirdworld hellhole potmetal milsurplus, so many have negative impressions on 1911s as well for this reason.

like what? a carefully inserted sheet of paper? it's like less than a millimeter and I can't seem to remember it ever being a problem on it's venerable predeccesors like the Walther P-38/P1 series and Egyptian Helwan 9mm and Israeli Brigadiers. do you freak out about the Glock frame/slide gap as well?

It's your problem now, you'll be seeing me, tony two times and jimmy wonder bread this coming Columbus Day. You know us Italians, we get so silly sometimes, silly as a bullet in the head, ya know?

Concrete Shoe Maker and Beretta Defender of the Faith, Otomik

"Berettas suck, Beavis."

"Yeah. Huh huh. Huh huh."

arctic enviroments, actually. the barrel heats up from extended firing, water melts and seeps in as you roll around in the snow, then freezes. the gun jams.

the germans found this out on the eastern front.

and so did the guys testing the beretta 92FS up in alaska before it was accepted by the army.

actually, I heard that the thing exploded in a test box when they pulled the trigger while trying to clear a jam, but that's just what I heard.

I've had constant problems with commercial berettas, and what I hear seems to echo my problems.
So it's my opinion that berettas have a design flaw or two. I'll stick with my Hi-power, but you may use whatever you like.

Oh, man. Wow. Whew. The first time I read that, I thought you were saying a Hi Point was, like, the top-of-the-line firearm manufacturer, and the weapon you were most likely to trust your life to, and...heh...whew. Okay. Hi Power. That makes more sense.

But apparently it wasn't that important to them. West Germany used the P38 until 1957 (mostly because they made about an assload of them during the war). Then they went and adopted an alloy-framed version of it (designated P1) and used that one until it was replaced by the P8 in 1995. That's 55 years of service; a long time for any design.

The Austrians used the P38 until it was replaced by the P80 (Glock 17) in the early 80's, for 40ish years of service.

I'm thinking the whole "artic environments" thing was really not that big of a deal to them. Not that I'm a Beretta fanboy or anything. They're not my favorite either. I just think that's a shitty reason to trash a decent handgun design. Even a friggin' AK will get frozen shut if you treat it like shit.

Now back to your regularly scheduled otomik freak-out.

Because it wasn't a standard issue handgun. P-38s and Lugers were only assigned to officers. Not the guys running and rolling in the snow. The beretta IS a standard issue handgun, and our guys are in the field, I would want a handgun that has moving parts like that covered.

The point is, If it DOES get treated like shit, I want it to still function.

Good gun? sure.

Good combat handgun? maaayyybee....

Um, not every dude running around in the US Army gets an M9 either.

Seeing as they made around 1.2 million P38s during the war (I don't think Beretta has made half that number of M9s in 20 years), I find it rather difficult to believe that they just stockpiled them for use by officers only. NCOs probably got them, at the very least. Lugers likely were officer-only pieces, but then they made far fewer of those and to a much higher standard.

And the M9, by and large, does exactly that. But when you're the kind of retard who can't understand that getting a pistol soaking wet in an extremely cold environment is likely to cause major problems, you deserve to have a gun that doesn't work. I gaurantee that if you treated a Hi-Power like that, you'd run into problems with it as well, as you would with pretty much any gun.

At least it doesn't have a friggin' magazine safety on it, right?

I don't believe you.

Hey, do you guys believe her? I don't believe her.

Citizens demand pictures!

[freakout]BHP, made to french military specifications, lets not forget how the resulting poor trigger contributes to already subpar accuracy compared to other common designs.[/freakout]

Ah, but if we're working on your character, she's not so ... naturally blessed.

If you, get a reduction, then use the extra skin to make a pouch!