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rozark69
Ok those of us that played Halo Im sure we all enjoyed the forcfield, can it be possible in Shadowrun? the thing I liked about it was that it didnt make your character immune to bullets or energy weapons but it allowed you to take few hits before having to duck, now one would think with todays technologycal advancement and with Mages errecting bullet bariers and so on that some wiz kid some brain or some tech spec freak would study all forums of the idea and come up with a way to build a system to duplicaite the effect, I guess my question is two fold
1. What would it be like if Shadow run had one
2. Im going to make one anyway so can I get a few ideas as how to go about it.

3. If we could come up with this sort of thing could we not apply the technology to vehicles.

was thinking electromagnetic fields of some sort, your thoughts please
Ol' Scratch
Sustaining/Reusable Anchoring Focus + Armor/Physical Barrier. Making it an actual piece of "tech" in Shadowrun is highly implausible and would pretty much shatter suspension of disbelief regarding most of the other technology in the game.
rozark69
So Doctor with all dew respect you are saying if I have a forcfield that it will make monowire/cybertechnology/drones/polyrythimer tech/lazer guns/cyber zombies/ less believable? that right?
Ol' Scratch
Yup. But it's your game, do as you like.
Critias
Christ, here I go, having to agree with Doc again.

"One thing = hard to beleive" does not necessarily mean "all things must = hard to beleive." In other words, any argument that ever starts with "the setting is already really unrealistic" is not an argument that should be getting off the ground.
rozark69
Fair enough on both your points thanks.
ps was not arguing.
hermit
Force field is possible with magic, but not with tech means.
Critias
We call them "buildings."
Austere Emancipator
Or perhaps "Ballistic Shields" (sr3.284).
SpasticTeapot
Forcefields are technically possible; however, you'd better be prepared to bring along a fusion plant about the size of the Renrakru Arcology with you to power it.
Thomas
And then you get the electromagnetic forcefield that stops the copper jackets but the lead core just keeps on going. indifferent.gif
Kagetenshi
Just use the giant field of force surround the Earth. Gravity'll stop a bullet just fine if you give it enough time (and if the bullet's moving fast enough that it won't, well, you've got other problems).

~J
Edward
No theory today allows for practical energy shields on a person.

This has not changed in 2060 or 2070 but you can be shore somebody is trying to find a way however itís all theoretical.

That is cannon and that is how I would leave it, but itís your game

If you did create them then you need to decide several things, how easily available art hay, who uses them as standard and how do they work with the mechanics. I suspect that youíre going to loos a significant amount of balance unless these things are ether incredibly rare (focus of a single run has one and if they take it the PCs wonít be able to recharge it) quite week (is functionally identical to security armour) very common (almost every runner has one as do most cops when on duty and anybody with security armour or better) this last option is going to greatly reduce death right.

Edward
Crimson Jack
...or Mil Spec Armor.
Kiedo
I heard from a relyable source that the US Navy is currently working on Forcefield technology. From what I've seen they've got a working prototype for a stationary model but it only stops small arms rounds and more than 10 drops the shield completely.

The Navy is trying to design a functioning mobile model for defense on Destroyers and Air Craft Carriers, and the power consumtion for the prototype is unbelievable, to run it for ten minutes it takes as much power as New York state requires in a week.

Now what I want to know is why there are no rail guns. MIT has a table sized one that projects a 2 ounce object at ~10,000 fps, so why couldn't they have a portable model in sixty years...
Ol' Scratch
They do. See Rigger 3.
Westiex
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Force field is possible with magic, but not with tech means.


Its called a troll whose in front of you and is on your side biggrin.gif
Kiedo
Son of a... so they do. My next vehicle will have on too. The Ares Vaporizer, as cheaply named as it is, looks like a good choice. I might have to make a rigger to take full advantage of that too.

I was looking at rail guns on the internet, I'd go down to a store if there was one believe me, and there are some mighty scary sounding ones out there. A rail gun was used to create the fastest moving object ever initiated by man, so they are fairly impressive to say the least.

According to a Space.com article, force fields would be effective mainly against microwave based weapons, and potentially lasers, but it mentions nothing about a good ol' fashion metal slug. Now a high electromagnetic field might be able to reproduce this, but it would require so much energy that it would be impossible for it to function as a mobile unit, especially one that could be worn by a person. Like somebody earlier said you'd have to have a portable fusion plant the size of a small city to power the thing, and even then you'd still have problems with irregular voltage. If it were possible to have a plasma shield that was dense enough, however you might be able to slow a bullet so much that it bounced off you but this again goes back to the problem with the energy consumtion. Unless they invent a way to produce extremely large amounts of energy in the next sixty year, that is small and compact I don't see force fields ever getting off the ground, unless your opponent has a microwave based weapon, but all that will really do to you is make you sterile.
hobgoblin
and that is why torpedoes work so much better then lasers in star trek nyahnyah.gif
hermit
The Plasma "field" the linked article speaks about wouldn't be quite useful under atmospheric conditions; it's more of a space 'shield'. It basically generates a bubble of energy-soaking gas around the object it is to protect (let's say, a sattelite), so noone can fry it by shooting a laser or microwave weapon at it. Under atmospheric conditions, the gas would rapidly react with the atmospheric gases and dissipade because of wind and because the gas mixes with the atmosphere.

The 'ablative plasma armour' the article speaks about could work under atmospheric conditions, though, since it generates the plasma cloud 'in situ'.

Anyway, those aren't force fields, those are clouds of gas that soak energy weapons. And it seems matter won't be affected by that, at least not too much. Certainly not enough to vanish in a flash of light, as it should in a real scifi force field. smile.gif

And as for the US navy developing a star trek force field ... yeah right. They took it ut of the Roswell UFO, I guess?
SpasticTeapot
One invention, which is currently in testing by the British military, utilizes a giant capacitor and two conductive plates covering the exterior of the vehicle, spaced about an inch apart. When shrapnel pierces the first plate, it hits the second as well, allowing current to flow between them. Due to the large size of the capacitor, the shrapnel is vaporized instantly. The big advantage of this weapon is that it can be run off a small generator akin to those found at Home Depot.
hermit
Okay, that's a clever device, no doupt. But it's not a force field.

Both would be cool to convert to be used by SR vehicle rules.
Austere Emancipator
You could say Ablative Armor and Smart Armor System cover that, rules-wise, along with any other unconventional vehicle armor types we're seeing right now.
hermit
Ablative has no effect on lasers, to my knowledge ... this ablative plasma armour would.
Austere Emancipator
In SR3, Ablative Armor simply adds to the Armor Rating of the vehicle it's added on to, thus it has the exact same effect rules-wise on laser weaponry as it does on kinetic or chemical energy weapons. You'll just have to ignore most of the fluff text -- which is true for trying to justify the existence of a very large part of combat-related equipment in SR3.
Kiedo
The Navy is working on that but I'd figure they about a bagillion years away from getting a functioning moblie version working. The problem with the prototype model that is stationary is that you can't get near it wearing anything metal and opps you get sucked in and shocked to death. It works by generating a strong electromagetic "wall" between two superconductors which is strong enough to stop a bullet, but the drain for each round it stops quickly collapses the power grid. Not to mention the black hole like event horizon.

And no they got it from santa claus, I found out from my stepdad, who used to be a naval researcher.

But your abosultely right about the plasma shield is mainly effective in a zero atmosphere environment. Since the plasma is ambient the only thing felt by organic life forms is a slight tickle, not the bug zapper effect that you desire.

If a plasma shield does not constitute a "force Field" what would? It seems logical to me that a sheet of gas that absorbed or deflected offensive energy would be just that...
SpasticTeapot
Edited for raw stupidity.
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