hahaha

Plus ça change...

fistandantilus:

You're right.

The island of Thera, now known as Santorini, is near the Greek island of Crete.

Most of the island was destroyed by a volcanic eruption--classified as a Category Seven on the Volcanic Explosivity Index, or "VEI"-- circa 1650 B.C.E.

To put that into perspective, the eruption that destroyed the Indonesian island of Krakatoa in 1883 was a Category Six (the equivalent of a 200-megaton H-bomb)--and the scale goes up to 8! The eruption of Tora in 1815 was a Category 7, and there was a Category 8 eruption in what would eventually become Yellowstone National Park millennia ago. Yellowstone has had three major eruptions in the last 2 million years (2.2 million, 1.3 million, and 600,000 years ago respectively), and the smallest of the three (1.3 million years ago) generated roughly 280 cubic kilometers of ash and dust. By comparison, the 1980 eruption of Mount Saint Helens generated only 1 or 2 cubic kilometers of debris.

However, I asked my GM (Sahandrian) about it some time back, and he says that, as far as he knows, the shared name is just a coincidence.

--Foreigner

Edit: Oooh.. Valid Thread... Shiny

…May be closer than you think.

As mentioned, the divergence starts at the latest in '86. It becomes a completely different world in 1991 when the Soviet Union fails to dissolve.

~J

I thought all that stuff got retconned out with SR3e?

More than 99% losses. Populations went from an estimated 300 million throughout the Americas to less than 30, with less than 1 million of that within the USA - where about one third to one half the pre Columbian population is believed to have been. This is -AFTER- major repopulation in the 20th century. At the end of the 19th century population numbers were so low that it was common belief they would simply die off naturally. The final solution was put forth by people such as the author of the Wizard of Oz (in his letters cheering the Wounded Knee massacre) as a way of preventing further bloodshed - wipe the last few of them out now while it is easy to do, as there will never be peace with them.

That's also after 400 years of contact with constant losses and then 100 to recover while being 'supressed', so the actual looses are much greater than just a cross between starting and ending totals (after all, if you compared pre WWII and modern Jewish populations and used that as your loss total - it would look like the European genocide boosted Jewish populations).

There's a severe issue with the NaNs of Shadowrun and their population figures. Especially given how early Shadowrun material used to say they pushed the non natives out of their territory. For that early material to be true, every native woman from about the 1960s on would have had to have been having 10+ surviving children. That during a time when birthrates were actually quite low as the US government was still using a policy of forced sterilization into the 1970s.

It can't be retconned out. Remember, Earthdawn was spun off from Shadowrun. The ED links in SR were there before ED existed.

Retconning Earthdawn links out of Shadowrun would be like Retconning Jonnie and Chachi out of Happy Days or retconning Angel out of Buffy.

Son of a...

My search-fu is severely lacking. *Hangs head in shame*

I tried everything I could think of except that one, including diverged. Damn you you rogue d!

Still, I'm happy since this means it's possible to keep the Kowloon Walled City in place for some Hong Kong ideas I've been mulling over whilst waiting for SoA.

I mentioned it becuase it's also (RL) one of the places that is looked at as possibly being the 'mythical' Atlantis as well. Although, like everything, that's changed a few hundred times.

Did somebody mention Angel?