Not went down. They just slammed the door shut before he got in... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)


Hmm... I read something about the Ritual's echo manifesting randomly. Maybe i misinterpreted that one.

And sorry for that. I might get a bit lost in there....

Oh
well that's probably okay then

Well, it required some serious elven cleavage to defeat him. Oh, a blood magic-dragon soul-cyberzombie-something was also somewhat involved, but mostly it was tits. Elven tits, with big brown nipples. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


@Hunter:

And, like you said, so is bioware. Or a lot of other stuff which certainly is not magic (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


There are AIs which develop human intelligence levels (although their intelligence is still different), so why should feral intelligence levels be impossible?


Sure, the resonance could have developed ever since humans stored data in electronic networks - but how should a Horror have come over at that time? AFAIK Horrors are not "born" on earth, but have to come over from their place.

Who says the Resonance is an effect of data stored electronically? Maybe, like the astral plane, the digital infromation highway is just how the unsubmerged view the resonance. Granted, this wouldn't necessarily lead to an invasion by the Horrors we know about. But some other version of alien consciousness that views the matrix of our Earth as something to be distrupted, or toyed with. Maybe even colonize, as the Insect spirits want. The matrix could be our accidental stumbling onto an out of phase magic source, one that gets "closer" to our phase when the awakening occurs, but prior to humans messing around with digital technology, wasn't able to interract. This also leads to the assumption that IF there is something, they will know just as little about us, as we do of them.

Also, wild Sprites have been encountered. These seem to appear much like spirits do in the meat world, whether "Summoned" or created randomly.

Yes, but even SR3 ≠ SR4, so why would ED = SR4?

Rules and fluff change with every passing year. All we have is speculation involving the patchwork logic of multiple games-writers.

As such, when anyone tries to do the ED = SR thing, it just doesn't work. ED hasn't been tied into SR for over half a decade. When that changes, then these threads will have some base to them. Until then, you'll have the "SR4 has rules; they say this" camp and the "Pre-SR4 had rules for this, so when this happens again it will happen this way" crowd.

Meanwhile, Catalyst, as far as I can tell, is busy trying to wipe all the high-fantasy meta-plot out of existence so that there can be more wars and giant robots.

The matrix wasn't already there and mankind somehow gained access to it. The matrix was created by humans, and like so many human inventions showed unexpected behaviour "in the wild".

It's not that SR=ED. Its more like ED->our world->SR. Times change, magic changes, rules change...

I`m not saying the matrix was there, and humans gained access, I`m saying maybe the resonance was there, and the matrix acted as a bridge to access it. The comparison with the astral plane to the matrix was the closest I could come up with as a facsimile. The fact is, whether or not the resonance was there, or a creation of the Matrix, it doesn`t actually affect the meat world on it`s own, but has to go through (semi-)intelligent code lifeforms, or organic commlinks in order to affect the rest of us.

Licenses split.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I just pray that they don't tie SR and Battletech history together.
I know they want to...

I can feel the driving need for "this war" and "company _____" and all that other BT stuff just pouring from the senior devs at Catalyst.

Wrong. Coleman was pushing high fantasy the most. If his stance has changed that was recent. He even wrote a synopsis for a storyline that brought Thera back! DotA is certainly not technology focused. And Coleman is still the guy in charge. Check out Ancient History's released notes to see the toned down version of where things were headed.

If Resonance means your nervous system and mental activity is different, then that would also logically show up on Assensing. It's no proof.




An emergent phenomenon; put enough very clever algorithms together, feed them data, look away for a while, and something interesting may develop. Artificial Intelligence doesn't really have to look like our intelligence, and it might evolve in a very different direction. Actually, it's very reasonable to expect it to evolve in very different directions; our intelligence is a result of the environment in which Homo Sapiens evolved, but that's a very different environment than the one from which AIs are evolving.





None of this proves or even makes it very likely that magic and resonance are related. All of the similarities make sense if you think the game designers liked having similar rules (because those are easier and less work to develop.)

I'm not saying Resonance can't be magic; just saying there's no proof nor even very strong circumstantial evidence. Also, ghosts in the machine, AIs, hidden layers in the web and so forth are all cyberpunk concepts. I suspect they were added to be the mysterious side of the Technology side of the traditional Magic vs. Technology split.

Not everything big in Shadowrun is ultimately linked to the Horrors/Earthdawn.

It's quite possible that there are Bad Things in the Deep Resonance that have nothing to do with the Horrors. Maybe the whole Resonance is something created by humanity. Maybe if you erased all the big Matrix archives, it would disappear, because it's actually based in the physical world. On the other hand, maybe it's really a different dimension which has been accessed somehow because of the information complexity of the Matrix.

Lots of possibilities for the GM. If you wish, you could have a big shootout between the Horrors and the Deep Resonance entities over the physical world as a prize.

That, is actually a great idea. I may have to impliment that in some form for an over-arching story-line in my game(s).

Just made that up, obviously.

Maybe the horrors come from fucking space.

Maybe I'm just evil. : )

I wonder if Mercury and crew ended up horror marked could partially explain some things.

Dammit, someone needs to make a campaign already. Or even a wh40k style wargame campaign.

Hmm, I must admit the idea that the Deep Resonance is somewhere "out there" and just uses the matrix as a burning bush didn't occur to me before.

Very Mage: The Ascension.

I've been thinking.
What if Technomancers are Adepts (this explains alot of their physical echo abilities) with the very first instance of a thread weaving talent/power.

They are able to weave a thread to the Pattern of the Matrix, and through that be able to do all sorts of weird stuff.

Complex Forms are just special threads (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

The Matrix is actually a magical mountain with enlightenment at the top?

That resides on a meta-plane, yes. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

If its in a metaplane then why are there already resonance planes and why can't mages get to them? If the Resonance/Dissonance are supernatural entities then it seems they don't want anything to do with magic since their "prophets" can't have anything to do with it. Not to mention the fact that an AI gave similar abilities to people which means the process can't be completely supernatural. Heck, it could just be aliens which would make more sense then magic since an AI could give just about the same powers to people.

Well that idea would appeal to computer programmers.

Why can't mages get to the Elemental Plane of Metal?

~J

Some of them can. Check with your Tradition to learn more about exclusive access offers on the metaplanes.

Where does it say they can't?