 MilSpecTech, What do you guys think? |
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 Feb 9 2011, 09:04 AM
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panda!  Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242  |
QUOTE (GrepZen @ Feb 9 2011, 09:31 AM)  With the inclusion of the XM25/307 into the American inventory we may see (in a few years) the phalanx system replaced with 25mm airburst grenades. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzBPGfCq21s 57mm that goes from impact detonation to timed or proximity... |
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Feb 9 2011, 04:07 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,088 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 |
QUOTE (Fatum @ Feb 8 2011, 11:06 PM) Nope; T-birds are armoured close-range support - something like Mi-24, but bigger and meaner. And Osprey is "what the hell they are", except with less "oversized propellers" and more "hypereffective turbines". And also more speed, less altitude, moar dakka...not to mention that the concept should at lest bring some changes in military tactics, as a few hedgehog suddently are no longer effective at stopping armoured forces, APCs just got a whole lot more mobile, and you need ATGMs for air defence... |
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Feb 9 2011, 04:40 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Feb 9 2011, 05:04 AM) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzBPGfCq21s 57mm that goes from impact detonation to timed or proximity... I want one. For duck hunting. |
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Feb 9 2011, 05:39 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
i want one of the 8.5t Baseballs.
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Feb 9 2011, 07:43 PM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,801 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Moscow, Russia Member No.: 17,589 |
QUOTE (Sengir @ Feb 9 2011, 07:07 PM) And also more speed, less altitude, moar dakka...not to mention that the concept should at lest bring some changes in military tactics, as a few hedgehog suddently are no longer effective at stopping armoured forces, APCs just got a whole lot more mobile, and you need ATGMs for air defence... Well, you still don't need ATGMs to hit its engines. LAVs are still aircraft, albeit relatively heavily-armoured. They aren't tanks. Also, frankly, military tactics wouldn't change as much as with Awakening, nanites, rigging, minuscule cams, and many, many other things not covered in any way in War! |
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Feb 9 2011, 08:07 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 473 Joined: 11-May 09 From: Fort Worth, TX Member No.: 17,167 |
QUOTE (GrepZen @ Feb 9 2011, 02:31 AM) Said unstabalized trailer would flip were the phalanx to be fired. Seen it IRL...not pretty. As far as rail guns go...besides power requirements the greatest problem is that the rails tend to want to launch in opposing directions as well. Take a look at the DDX-1000 boards as LM or NG is testing a rail gun for that hull and much of the info is cross posted there. With the inclusion of the XM25/307 into the American inventory we may see (in a few years) the phalanx system replaced with 25mm airburst grenades. Provided they can expand the range & rate of the XM25/307. Personally I'd ditch the R2D2s and replace them with Metalstorm. ::EDIT:: 25mm not 20mm The point of the phalanx system is to put enough uranium into a missile to cause the warhead to detonate or to destroy it with enough force that even parts of it do not have enough kinetic force to hit the ship. The only problem with metalstorm is you have to reload using an entire stack. There is a reason that it is used as a secondary weapon or for area denial such as grenades where you want to saturate the area, but have little issue with reloading. |
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Feb 9 2011, 08:17 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,088 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 |
QUOTE (Fatum @ Feb 9 2011, 08:43 PM) They aren't tanks. Of course they are, just tanks with jet trusters allowing them to lift off. Hit the engines? Sure, after you've dug through the armor. |
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Feb 9 2011, 08:38 PM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,801 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Moscow, Russia Member No.: 17,589 |
QUOTE (Sengir @ Feb 9 2011, 11:17 PM) Of course they are, just tanks with jet trusters allowing them to lift off. Hit the engines? Sure, after you've dug through the armor. Tanks with thrusters allowing them to lift off are just that - tanks, look at the models mentioned earlier in this thread. LAVs are nowhere near them in what comes to Body and Armour. And you can't place vector-thrust engines under the armour. |
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Feb 9 2011, 09:50 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
of course you can.
all you need is open intake and outlet. and at least outlet in different directions. |
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Feb 10 2011, 12:20 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,088 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 |
QUOTE (Fatum @ Feb 9 2011, 09:38 PM) LAVs are nowhere near them in what comes to Body and Armour. GMC Banshee light recon T-bird: Body 20, Armor 18. That compares quite nicely to the light tanks in W!. |
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Feb 10 2011, 02:25 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (Sengir @ Feb 9 2011, 08:20 PM) That compares quite nicely to the light tanks in W!. That kind of comparison... Should be made by someone that has read War! and not by me. |
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Feb 10 2011, 03:52 AM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,801 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Moscow, Russia Member No.: 17,589 |
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Feb 10 2011, 12:50 AM) of course you can. And how exactly do you imagine that?all you need is open intake and outlet. and at least outlet in different directions. Also, how do you imagine shedding the heat such a powerful engine generates, if it's inside the hull? QUOTE (Sengir @ Feb 10 2011, 03:20 AM) GMC Banshee light recon T-bird: Body 20, Armor 18. Light tanks - yeah. Flying main battle tanks from MST - not so much.
That compares quite nicely to the light tanks in W!. |
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Feb 10 2011, 08:19 AM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
QUOTE (Fatum @ Feb 9 2011, 10:52 PM) And how exactly do you imagine that? Also, how do you imagine shedding the heat such a powerful engine generates, if it's inside the hull? Additionally, if you wreck the intake or output ports, just how far will that flying tank get? Heck, a freeze foam grenade launched into the right bit will give the tank a bad day. -k |
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Feb 10 2011, 08:23 AM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Feb 10 2011, 09:19 AM) Heck, a freeze foam grenade launched into the right bit will give the tank a bad day. Unless that locks the turret in place you now have a pillbox with a angry crew inside. |
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Feb 10 2011, 09:20 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,705 Joined: 5-October 09 From: You are in a clearing Member No.: 17,722 |
Intake vents? Grating.
Heat diffusion? Thermal recycling tech. Basically nothing in the setting makes sense. Why is this your line in the sand? |
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Feb 10 2011, 02:26 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Feb 10 2011, 03:23 AM) Unless that locks the turret in place you now have a pillbox with a angry crew inside. Depends on what altitude the tank was flying at the time. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) -k |
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Feb 10 2011, 03:07 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
I fail to see these things doing much more then maybe 10-20cm above the local ground height. Want more then that get a T-bird going.
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Feb 10 2011, 03:12 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,088 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 |
QUOTE (Fatum @ Feb 10 2011, 04:52 AM) And how exactly do you imagine that? Also, how do you imagine shedding the heat such a powerful engine generates, if it's inside the hull? The same way they gain enough trust to lift off at a fuel consumption which makes them economic choices for smuggling outfits - the plot says so (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) And yeah, a vehicle billed as light recon is not a flying MBT - who would have thought... |
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Feb 10 2011, 03:45 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Plot and advancing technology. We don't really know what went into the engines or anything, so...
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Feb 10 2011, 04:16 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,179 Joined: 10-June 10 From: St. Louis, UCAS/CAS Border Member No.: 18,688 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Feb 10 2011, 04:45 PM) Plot and advancing technology. We don't really know what went into the engines or anything, so... Phlebotinum. |
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Feb 10 2011, 04:20 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
And Handwavium.
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Feb 10 2011, 05:14 PM
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Awakened Asset Group: Members Posts: 4,464 Joined: 9-April 05 From: AGS, North German League Member No.: 7,309 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Feb 9 2011, 05:40 PM) I want one. For duck hunting. Isn´t duck hunting supposed to yield usable duck bits instead of duck mist clouds??? |
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Feb 10 2011, 05:31 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
QUOTE (Ryu @ Feb 10 2011, 06:14 PM) Isn´t duck hunting supposed to yield usable duck bits instead of duck mist clouds??? Gives "inhaling your food" a whole new meaning eh? |
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Feb 10 2011, 06:18 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,088 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Feb 10 2011, 04:45 PM) Plot and advancing technology. We don't really know what went into the engines or anything, so... QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Feb 10 2011, 05:16 PM) Phlebotinum. QUOTE (CanRay @ Feb 10 2011, 05:20 PM) And Handwavium. Not to forget Rule of Cool.Racing contraband across borders at ridiculous speed, zig-zagging wildly to escape enemy choppers, in a tank which is an extension of your body == (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) |
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Feb 10 2011, 06:42 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Sengir @ Feb 10 2011, 11:18 AM) Not to forget Rule of Cool.Racing contraband across borders at ridiculous speed, zig-zagging wildly to escape enemy choppers, in a tank which is an extension of your body == (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) Rule-Of-Cool for the Win... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smokin.gif) |
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