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 Nov 28 2011, 07:54 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 215 Joined: 16-October 11 Member No.: 40,831  |
QUOTE (Daylen @ Nov 28 2011, 08:51 PM)  Psychology is not a real science. I try to get behavioral information from evolutionary biologists. Who dies from falling 1-2m? That sounds like deceit through statistics, by including the decrepit; this is assuming you have not just made up that fact on the spot. The elderly? |
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Nov 28 2011, 07:57 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,424 Joined: 7-December 09 From: Freedonia Member No.: 17,952 |
QUOTE (kzt @ Nov 28 2011, 07:21 PM) I had someone give a talk on risk analysis. His point was that there are two classes of threats you should focus on. First, the high probability low impact threats - these will be annoying, but happen frequently; as they can bleed you dry. Second, the low probability very high impact threats, these pose a serious risk to the operation or existence of the organization as a whole. If they happen and are not countered it's a serious disaster. Low probability threats that are not devastating are not really worth a lot of preparation, but if you can trivially stop them you should. If you have high probability threats that have anything other then low impact you need to fix that right now. The trick with all of these is actually doing risk analysis, not risk ignoring. Excellent point. Engineers worry about what happens if the gasket/oring fails under an impossible condition not because it distracts from some more normal but boring risk, but because when such a thing is not accounted for the space shuttle explodes in the air; an unacceptable risk and unacceptable failure. Every person is their own risk engineer. Though a serious risk assessment is more complicated than only two categories to worry about... |
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Nov 28 2011, 07:57 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 446 Joined: 16-May 03 Member No.: 4,598 |
QUOTE (Daylen @ Nov 28 2011, 02:51 PM) Psychology is not a real science. I try to get behavioral information from evolutionary biologists. Who dies from falling 1-2m? That sounds like deceit through statistics, by including the decrepit; this is assuming you have not just made up that fact on the spot. Depends on the landing. It's not the fall that hurts, it's the sudden stop at the end |
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Nov 28 2011, 07:59 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,424 Joined: 7-December 09 From: Freedonia Member No.: 17,952 |
QUOTE (tehana @ Nov 28 2011, 07:54 PM) The elderly? A subset of the elderly. |
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Nov 28 2011, 08:00 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,424 Joined: 7-December 09 From: Freedonia Member No.: 17,952 |
QUOTE (MortVent @ Nov 28 2011, 07:57 PM) Depends on the landing. It's not the fall that hurts, it's the sudden stop at the end Of course in a horror movie there is always something to make a 1m fall deadly... |
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Nov 28 2011, 08:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 328 Joined: 3-March 10 Member No.: 18,233 |
A totally new topic... there are criminal SIN's out there. How are jails/prisons handled in 2070 & those individuals trying to get a license for a gun?
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Nov 28 2011, 08:12 PM
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Deus Absconditus Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,742 Joined: 1-September 03 From: Downtown Seattle, UCAS Member No.: 5,566 |
QUOTE (Daylen @ Nov 28 2011, 11:51 AM) Psychology is not a real science. I'm sorry, what? This is an opinion, not a fact. And as far as opinions go, I don't believe this one is sufficiently well-defended to just let it pass. Perhaps you meant to say that some branches of psychology are not sufficiently scientific in your opinion. Because I'm reasonably certain that the neuropsychologists, quantitative psychologists, and biopsychologists might dispute this generalization. |
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Nov 28 2011, 08:23 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 |
QUOTE (Daylen @ Nov 28 2011, 12:51 PM) Psychology is not a real science. I try to get behavioral information from evolutionary biologists. Who dies from falling 1-2m? That sounds like deceit through statistics, by including the decrepit; this is assuming you have not just made up that fact on the spot. A potentially serious fall is considered to be one where you fall your own body height or more. Less than that you don't normally worry about back or neck injures unless they landed on their head or their complaint suggests it. People who fall more then twice their body height are considered serious falls, where EMS will typically have you on a backboard and off to the hospital for radiology regardless of complaint. And yeah, old people who fall down can break major bones. |
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Nov 28 2011, 08:24 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 |
QUOTE (Saint Hallow @ Nov 28 2011, 01:02 PM) A totally new topic... there are criminal SIN's out there. How are jails/prisons handled in 2070 & those individuals trying to get a license for a gun? They laugh. A lot. |
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Nov 28 2011, 08:35 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 446 Joined: 16-May 03 Member No.: 4,598 |
QUOTE (Daylen @ Nov 28 2011, 03:00 PM) Of course in a horror movie there is always something to make a 1m fall deadly... More like angle and impact, hit just right and you will snap a femur in half with only a three foot fall (personal experience on a set of monkey bars). So not that hard to realize fall and hit head first can mean major damage (including internal only damage) resulting in death. Unless you believe that three to six foot fall is nothing regardless of how you land. |
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Nov 28 2011, 08:46 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,089 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 |
QUOTE (Daylen @ Nov 28 2011, 08:51 PM) Psychology is not a real science. Says who? QUOTE Who dies from falling 1-2m? A person in the typical household accident, which are far more common than work accidents. Slip in the garden, hit a tree stumb and break your neck (happened to our neighbor). Or fall down a ladder while cleaning, at such heights even healthy persons have trouble putting on a defensive stance fast enough |
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Nov 28 2011, 10:27 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,026 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Seattle (Really!) Member No.: 7,996 |
Psychology certainly isn't a hard science like Physics, Chemistry, Geology, or Biology where there are hard provable direct cause and effect relationships that form results that can be predicted and repeated.
It's more in the realm of soft sciences like Sociology, Political Science, Economics, or anthropology where you collect data and form statistical models that mostly work most of the time. To some that doesn't quite meet the standard for science. |
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Nov 29 2011, 01:13 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,424 Joined: 7-December 09 From: Freedonia Member No.: 17,952 |
QUOTE (stevebugge @ Nov 28 2011, 11:27 PM) Psychology certainly isn't a hard science like Physics, Chemistry, Geology, or Biology where there are hard provable direct cause and effect relationships that form results that can be predicted and repeated. It's more in the realm of soft sciences like Sociology, Political Science, Economics, or anthropology where you collect data and form statistical models that mostly work most of the time. To some that doesn't quite meet the standard for science. If there can be no disproof of a hypothesis then the scientific method can't be applied, meaning the endeavor is not scientific. I have not read a psychology paper that fits well within the scientific method. Even the ones that have been the closest have relied on inferences that can not be made. One might as well say String Hypothesis is science. However this is getting way off topic, so I'm going to stop commenting on this derailing now. |
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Nov 29 2011, 01:16 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,424 Joined: 7-December 09 From: Freedonia Member No.: 17,952 |
QUOTE (Saint Hallow @ Nov 28 2011, 09:02 PM) A totally new topic... there are criminal SIN's out there. How are jails/prisons handled in 2070 & those individuals trying to get a license for a gun? For any former runners with one I had a wonderful idea from a comment I read earlier about Canada. Every time there is a crime in the area, have Lonestar come knocking to search the criminal sinner's abode and person with the excuse of checking to make sure there are no firearms. |
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Nov 29 2011, 02:46 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,328 Joined: 2-April 07 From: The Center of the Universe Member No.: 11,360 |
QUOTE (Daylen @ Nov 28 2011, 08:13 PM) If there can be no disproof of a hypothesis then the scientific method can't be applied, meaning the endeavor is not scientific. I have not read a psychology paper that fits well within the scientific method. Even the ones that have been the closest have relied on inferences that can not be made. One might as well say String Hypothesis is science. However this is getting way off topic, so I'm going to stop commenting on this derailing now. Aww... and I (as an economist by training) was about to say economics is a scientific endeavor, but all current theories have failed. Some more badly than others (such a communism). Of course Hayek was right!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/proof.gif) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_von_Hayek Back OT-what about defending oneself from common thugs (shadow runners a standard BP are SOF quality usually-and so rare a civie is highly unlikely to run into one at least how I envision SR. Gangers with street line specials, and leather jackets is more common than armor jackets, smgs, and wored reflexes. |
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Nov 29 2011, 02:55 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
I'm sure Lone Star/Knight Errant will say you stay polite with the nice criminals who are ignoring all of society's moral code and laws, hand over your credstick, corporate scrip, watch, and your spouse for fun-fun times, and hit the PANICBUTTON! as soon as possible for the police to arrive quickly and efficiently.
... Well, it's what the cops say today. |
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Nov 29 2011, 03:01 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,424 Joined: 7-December 09 From: Freedonia Member No.: 17,952 |
QUOTE (Warlordtheft @ Nov 29 2011, 02:46 AM) ... Back OT-what about defending oneself from common thugs (shadow runners a standard BP are SOF quality usually-and so rare a civie is highly unlikely to run into one at least how I envision SR. Gangers with street line specials, and leather jackets is more common than armor jackets, smgs, and wored reflexes. On the common thug line, most of the discussion has fallen in line with humans being the aggressor. Of course with trolls abound holdout pistols are a bit light for someone who can't stage the damage up a few times at least. One thing that might well have come about is instead of people going for "thin is sexy" (sorry, that kahr arms commercial is stuck in my head), the trend might change to "high penetration for heavy threats", and I think EXEX would be very popular. |
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Nov 29 2011, 03:04 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
"T'in iz smexy? I likez muh guns howz I likez muh wimmins. Orky-Sized!" - Big Murphy.
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Nov 29 2011, 03:05 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,424 Joined: 7-December 09 From: Freedonia Member No.: 17,952 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Nov 29 2011, 02:55 AM) I'm sure Lone Star/Knight Errant will say you stay polite with the nice criminals who are ignoring all of society's moral code and laws, hand over your credstick, corporate scrip, watch, and your spouse for fun-fun times, and hit the PANICBUTTON! as soon as possible for the police to arrive quickly and efficiently. ... Well, it's what the cops say today. Probably depends on how the local contracts are written. If Lonestar is in an area where they don't get paid enough extra to want more people in jail, they might not care. Of course if it is a large area where sales of panicbutton services are high I'm sure your assessment would have much truth in it. |
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Nov 29 2011, 03:06 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Didn't get the sarcasm dripping from my text like venom from the fangs of society's vipers, I take it?
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Nov 29 2011, 03:09 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,424 Joined: 7-December 09 From: Freedonia Member No.: 17,952 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Nov 29 2011, 03:06 AM) Didn't get the sarcasm dripping from my text like venom from the fangs of society's vipers, I take it? I did, but I thought I'd just go with it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/spin.gif) |
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Nov 29 2011, 03:10 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
OK, fair enough. I probably shouldn't harp, after all, everyone here knows where I stand.
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Nov 29 2011, 03:15 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,328 Joined: 2-April 07 From: The Center of the Universe Member No.: 11,360 |
QUOTE (Daylen @ Nov 28 2011, 10:01 PM) On the common thug line, most of the discussion has fallen in line with humans being the aggressor. Of course with trolls abound holdout pistols are a bit light for someone who can't stage the damage up a few times at least. One thing that might well have come about is instead of people going for "thin is sexy" (sorry, that kahr arms commercial is stuck in my head), the trend might change to "high penetration for heavy threats", and I think EXEX would be very popular. Do a couple double taps with the use of edge on a suprized troll. Now arm the civy with a heavy pistol with laser sight and custom grip. Say 3 agility, 2 pistols. Roll the 6 dice twice. Roll thee body of the troll ((IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) . See how many times the troll dies. Also being usually less than 10% of the population channge the race to ork or gasp (human). Ammo wise, there is always stick and shock. |
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Nov 29 2011, 03:22 AM
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Deus Absconditus Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,742 Joined: 1-September 03 From: Downtown Seattle, UCAS Member No.: 5,566 |
QUOTE (Daylen @ Nov 28 2011, 05:13 PM) If there can be no disproof of a hypothesis then the scientific method can't be applied, meaning the endeavor is not scientific. I have not read a psychology paper that fits well within the scientific method. Even the ones that have been the closest have relied on inferences that can not be made. One might as well say String Hypothesis is science. However this is getting way off topic, so I'm going to stop commenting on this derailing now. I'll try not to let this derail either, but I'm gonna throw in my last two cents: If the psychology papers you have read do not have scientific method applied or a hypothesis which can (theoretically) be disproved, you have been reading some extremely poor psychology papers. Seriously. |
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Nov 29 2011, 05:09 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,424 Joined: 7-December 09 From: Freedonia Member No.: 17,952 |
QUOTE (Warlordtheft @ Nov 29 2011, 04:15 AM) Do a couple double taps with the use of edge on a suprized troll. Now arm the civy with a heavy pistol with laser sight and custom grip. Say 3 agility, 2 pistols. Roll the 6 dice twice. Roll thee body of the troll ((IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) . See how many times the troll dies. Also being usually less than 10% of the population channge the race to ork or gasp (human). Ammo wise, there is always stick and shock. Oh no, another custom grip fan (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif) I've always avoided that mod thinking it just too cheezy. |
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