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The Jopp
post Dec 8 2011, 12:37 PM
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Here we go, something useful, legal by the rules but could be gamebreaking.

Matter Transformation
Spell Type: Physical
Effect: The spell changes the composition of matter into a similar type of matter. Examples:
Lead to Gold
Water to Hydrocloric Acid
Blood to Salt Water
Steel to Lead

Physical: +1
Range: Touch -2
Range: Area +2
Duration: Permanent +2
Major Change: +2

Drain Code: F/2+5

For balance sake I would limit it to switch an element to another element within close proximity on the Periodic Table of elements or keeping it simple like Stone to Sand and Air to Helium.

Which would mean that Gold to Lead would be impossible but Mercury to Gold or vice versa is possible. Still, it would be fun playing an Alchemist who isnt in it for the money.

Lets not even mention the fact that an area spell exchanging the Oxygen to Fluorine in the air might be bad for people.
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post Dec 8 2011, 01:58 PM
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Somewhere in the thread archives, I have a metal to wood conversion spell... *search-fu* ah, yes. New Spell Idea

hope that helps a bit.
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post Dec 8 2011, 03:33 PM
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Yea, liked that one to, a more restricted version.

The problem with these kind of spells is taht all it takes a little imagination to create something gamebreaking.

Clean Air to Toxic Fumes: Check
Steel Door to Balsa Wood: Check
Panther Assault Cannon To Wood: Check (Might be able to fire ONCE...)

On another note, for the survivalist:

Water to Gasoline
Water to Alcohol (for the drunk)
Gasoline to Water
Gamma Radiation to X-Rays: ???
Light to Darkness: Yes, possible but on a rather extreme level

And for the silly
Plastic Bonelacing to Titanium Bonelacing
Titanium Bonelacing to Jello Bonelacing
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post Dec 8 2011, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE (The Jopp @ Dec 8 2011, 04:33 PM) *
Clean Air to Toxic Fumes: Check
Can you see air? With a touch spell it might work. The problem then is that you are standing in the same fumes.
QUOTE (The Jopp @ Dec 8 2011, 04:33 PM) *
Gamma Radiation to X-Rays: ???
same problem as above. Visible light would be easier and more readily available
QUOTE (The Jopp @ Dec 8 2011, 04:33 PM) *
Light to Darkness: Yes, possible but on a rather extreme level
Darkness is not a separate thing, it is merely the absence of light. And there already is a darkness spell in the book.
QUOTE (The Jopp @ Dec 8 2011, 04:33 PM) *
And for the silly
Plastic Bonelacing to Titanium Bonelacing
Titanium Bonelacing to Jello Bonelacing
That won't work. Once implanted you can neither see nor touch the bone lacing. If you can access the implanted lacing, most likely changing it won't be necessary.
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post Dec 8 2011, 06:09 PM
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QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Dec 8 2011, 09:32 AM) *
Can you see air? With a touch spell it might work. The problem then is that you are standing in the same fumes.


Except that you can Shape Air [Shape Element] without actually Seeing it.

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That won't work. Once implanted you can neither see nor touch the bone lacing. If you can access the implanted lacing, most likely changing it won't be necessary.


It would work just as well as a Heal Spell does. You are not targeting wounds (espeicially ones that you cannot even see, including the massive trauma damage to your inner workings), you are targeting the person. Now, that being said, if the person did not have bone lacing, the spell obviously fizzles. Can't change something that does not exist in the target.
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post Dec 8 2011, 07:10 PM
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QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Dec 8 2011, 07:09 PM) *
Except that you can Shape Air [Shape Element] without actually Seeing it.
Yeah, this one always vexes me, when it comes up. I want Shape Quarks. You can do everything with it and they are always OR 1. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/silly.gif)

QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Dec 8 2011, 07:09 PM) *
It would work just as well as a Heal Spell does. You are not targeting wounds (espeicially ones that you cannot even see, including the massive trauma damage to your inner workings), you are targeting the person. Now, that being said, if the person did not have bone lacing, the spell obviously fizzles. Can't change something that does not exist in the target.
I disagree. The target of the heal spell is indeed the person, but the target of a conversion spell should be the item to be converted.
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post Dec 8 2011, 07:13 PM
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Just use "Turn to goo" and then target the cyberware which is lying around ^^
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post Dec 8 2011, 08:27 PM
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QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Dec 8 2011, 12:10 PM) *
Yeah, this one always vexes me, when it comes up. I want Shape Quarks. You can do everything with it and they are always OR 1. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/silly.gif)

I disagree. The target of the heal spell is indeed the person, but the target of a conversion spell should be the item to be converted.



My point was that it is already RAW that you can target a composite (The Body) and have a Specific Effect (The wound that you really cannot see). You can target things with magic, without being able to actually see them.

And besides... I like Shape [Quark]. Is an awesome spell indeed... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Dec 8 2011, 08:28 PM
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Blood to Salt-Water only works on blood you can see.
Not on the whole batch in a metahuman body.

Of course, going up against aztechnology and blood magic / spirits would become a bit more silly then . . .
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post Dec 8 2011, 08:48 PM
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The point is that it's a different spell. You can maybe have a 'person-targeting' spell that affects them in a way like 'blood-to-X', but you can't use a 'blood-targeting' spell *on* that person for the identical effect (without seeing/touching the blood).
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post Dec 8 2011, 09:14 PM
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QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Dec 8 2011, 09:28 PM) *
Blood to Salt-Water only works on blood you can see.
Not on the whole batch in a metahuman body.
It would make an interesting substitute for Sterilize though.
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post Dec 8 2011, 11:40 PM
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Ah, yes.

"Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's first law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only truth."

This all sounds terribly familiar, I know I've heard it somewhere... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Dec 9 2011, 09:41 AM
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QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Dec 8 2011, 09:28 PM) *
Blood to Salt-Water only works on blood you can see.
Not on the whole batch in a metahuman body.

Of course, going up against aztechnology and blood magic / spirits would become a bit more silly then . . .


Well, in that case you wouldnt be able to use a heal spell against internal bleeding, which you can. Still, I would require a blood replacement/conversion spell to be a health spell for game balance - it seems more logical too.
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post Dec 9 2011, 09:42 AM
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QUOTE (JanessaVR @ Dec 9 2011, 12:40 AM) *
Ah, yes.

"Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's first law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only truth."

This all sounds terribly familiar, I know I've heard it somewhere... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


I have no idea what you are talking about...

* Hides character sheet with a a boy magician with a bionic arm and a walking armour homouncolous *
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post Dec 9 2011, 09:45 AM
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Hmm...

I should be able to make a spell called Matter/Antimatter conversion.

What happens if I convert somebodys pistol (in their hand) to antimatter...

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post Dec 9 2011, 10:08 AM
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QUOTE (The Jopp @ Dec 9 2011, 10:41 AM) *
Well, in that case you wouldnt be able to use a heal spell against internal bleeding, which you can. Still, I would require a blood replacement/conversion spell to be a health spell for game balance - it seems more logical too.

You are NOT healing the internal bleeding specifically.
You are just telling the complete body:"You! shape up!"
And the body regrows what's missing, or at least patchs up holes faster than normal . .
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post Dec 9 2011, 12:00 PM
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QUOTE (The Jopp @ Dec 9 2011, 10:45 AM) *
What happens if I convert somebodys pistol (in their hand) to antimatter...

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You regret not having cast it from something like a hundred miles away through a powerful telescope (fitted with a high-end light dampening) ?
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post Dec 9 2011, 03:20 PM
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QUOTE (Dahrken @ Dec 9 2011, 08:00 AM) *
You regret not having cast it from something like a hundred miles away through a powerful telescope (fitted with a high-end light dampening) ?


But the regret lasts only for a very brief moment. Then the blast front hits...
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post Dec 9 2011, 03:31 PM
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QUOTE (bibliophile20 @ Dec 9 2011, 08:20 AM) *
But the regret lasts only for a very brief moment. Then the blast front hits...


Pretty Impressive Blast Front from a Hundred Miles Away. Got any hard science to back that claim up? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Dec 9 2011, 03:44 PM
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QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Dec 9 2011, 11:31 AM) *
Pretty Impressive Blast Front from a Hundred Miles Away. Got any hard science to back that claim up? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Yup. E=MC^2

Energy=Mass times the speed of light squared.

A Bretta 92 weighs 950 grams. Since this is a matter-antimatter reaction, we're annihilating 1900 grams of mass.

*does maths*

How does almost 41 megatons of TNT sound to you? 40.813, to be more exact, or about 80% of the biggest nuclear blast ever detonated, the Tsar Bomba...

But the regret was for NOT having cast it from a hundred miles away. If you're at normal casting range, you'll have a very brief moment to regret your decision before the blast front reduced you to plasma...
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post Dec 9 2011, 03:55 PM
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Try to play nice, TJ. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) Even if it had been only hyperbole…
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post Dec 9 2011, 04:13 PM
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It is always funny, how people do not seem to have any relation to the most famous formula on the planet...

Or sometimes what only a kilo of TNT really means. (Most funny to see in some StarWars Forums.)

Thats something I think MythBuster is good for. They take a fingertip of TNT and blow it up.
I think it is just hard to imagine if you did not see something like that for real in your life.

A chemestry teacher took one drop of nitro still enough to wake up everybody in the classroom...
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QUOTE (Irion @ Dec 9 2011, 11:13 AM) *
(Most funny to see in some StarWars Forums.)


Oh do tell
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post Dec 9 2011, 05:36 PM
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@Yerameyahu
QUOTE ("Wiki Tsar Bomb")
All buildings in the village of Severny (both wooden and brick), located 55 kilometres (34 mi) from ground zero within the Sukhoy Nos test range, were completely destroyed. In districts hundreds of kilometers from ground zero, wooden houses were destroyed, stone ones lost their roofs, windows and doors; and radio communications were interrupted for almost one hour. One participant in the test saw a bright flash through dark goggles and felt the effects of a thermal pulse even at a distance of 270 kilometres (170 mi). The heat from the explosion could have caused third-degree burns 100 km (62 mi) away from ground zero. A shock wave was observed in the air at Dikson settlement 700 kilometres (430 mi) away;

Well, it was not a hyperbole... (Yes, the antimatter is unlikely to blow up all at once. But this depends on how it all reacts and if the bullets are turned to antimatter or not)
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technically, only the outmost layer of antimatter ever has contact to matter.
so only the outer layer explodes. then the next layer. not all at once. this may happen fast enoug to not really make a difference though . .
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