Garand is also a great weapon, though a little heavy for my tastes (having been a grunt who carried a combat load over 100 lbs, IN COMBAT no less (It often sucks to be the radioman), I tend to shy away from such heavy problems in play. Hated it , Hated It, Hated It). It is Why I shy away from the Barrett, in fact, even if SR4A does not include such issues.

I wasn't talking about sport rifles in real life but was simply drawing a parallel to real life gun laws as a possible explanation for the difference in firing capabilities.

I never said that sport rifles in real life had to be single shot bolt action.

Could be worse, could be a SAW Gunner. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Did that too... And a SMAW Assault Gunner, M-60 Gunner and even dabbled in Mortars. I was cross trained extensively indeed... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Beats the alternative: Barely trained bullet catcher.

Agreed. The new pistolero on the players' team has it - with revolvers, it's cool. With the Ruger, it's SCARY.
Oh, you mean something like this?
It's actually pretty sane, a slightly modded White Knight does the job pretty well.

There is that... Of course, Marines are not generally know as Barely Trained, so..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Love me a custom modified Super Warhawk and the Hawkeye PQ in combination. Have a Ganger with that setup, and yes, very scary.

What's this Hawkeye PQ?
What's it do?

Hawkeye is a 5BP positive quality that when taken reduces the penalties for range increments by one category. That means that your penalties are 0/0/-1/-3 instead of 0/-1/-3/-6 while an improved range finder has penalties of 0/0/-2/-5. The downsize is that you lose the benefit of Hawkeye when using image magnification, which is not a huge issue since the major benefit to image magnification is being able to take aim to eliminate range penalties.

You have to have natural eyes to take it and it also gives you +1 perception when looking at things that are far away.

I still wonder if Improved Range finder is compatible with hawkeye which would make the penalties 0/0/0/-2...

Ah, so it's a Bio Version of the Optic Enhancement Cyber-Then?
And why do people use it with Pea-Shooters instead of Shotguns?

It's not a bioware. It's a natural trait. I'm not aware of any bit of cyberware in SR4 that replicates what a hawkeye does (except for imp range finder which is not as good).

Because they use pistols. The effect is, obviously, most prevalent and great with short range pistols and shotguns. It's also ridiculously good for throwing weapons when coupled with a good strength. It's basically good with everything but you need to be able to take advantage of having the no penalty range. So with assault rifle or sport rifle ranges it really starts to get good for vehicle chase combat where the longer distances are more common.

Ah, so the Magnification from Sr3 did not make it to SR4 then?
Because SR3 had 2 kinds of VisMag. One Electronic and one Optic from Level 1 to 3 and each level made one bracket of Distance go away.

It is there, you just have to use a Free Action to implemenmt it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Simple action. Not everyone has Krav maga and you only get 1 free action per IP.

In SR4, if you have vision magnification you can use a simple action to take aim to eliminate range penalties.

Duh... You are correct sir... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I really hate the Krav maga Bonus, but so many people have it it apprently has stuck in my mind.

Mmmhmm. I think Hawkeye significantly diminishes the primary use of Krav Maga. They cost the same amount of BP and taking aim to eliminate penalties only really becomes valuable at the extreme range (a -1 for long range should be tolerable). Essentially, Hawkeye is vastly more efficient from an action economy standpoint unless you are consistently engaging at extreme ranges. With Hawkeye, Krav Maga mostly just gives you +1 die on one of your two attacks each round so it's probably really good for multi-targeting since it offsets half of the changing targets penalty. It's a nice bonus but I'm not sure it's worth 5BP at that point.

That looks like Svetlana!Well, compared to the Canadian Armed Forces... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Well, Yes, Of Course... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I hate coming late to the party but a great deal of this has to do with the way a weapon is used. In WW2 the basic American sniper rifle was the Springfield- which had been the basic rifle in the first world war. In the same war the British used their standard SMLE Enfield with a scope as a sniper rifle, wiothout a scope as the basic infantry rifle.

Have you ever seen the film footage the army made to justifiy replacing Springfields with Garands? They had two men side by side each with one of the rifles, firing at a traget, and while the guy with the Garand was just firing straight at the target with his amazing weapon, the guy with the Springfield was firing it as awkwardly as possible, taking his rifle off line to work the bolt between each shot.

The Sniper SMLEs were custom made for sniping, from what I understand. Holland and Holland did a lot of them, apparently. More work went into them, essentially like a "Match Grade" firearm today.

But, yes, the basic rifle design was the same.

There are very few "sniper rifles" that are not basically identical to a "sporting rifle" or "machine gun" in terms of everything but accuracy and possibly the lack of a belt feed. The only calibers that come to mind as being essentially specially designed for sniper rifles are the .408 CheyTac and .338 Lapua Magnum. I have no idea what genus at CGL decided that the same round fired from two different guns has magically better properties from one gun then the other.

Cinematic gun rules. In my experience, it would be more realistic to have running battles screw with the accuracy of anything with a scope, and perhaps a plateau of -2 penalty for random other misalignment, barring a glitch somewhere. Other added realism would be bullet price varying by caliber, a strength/body test to quickly get back onto target for weapons that fire more powerful rounds, etc.

All of which get in the way of having fun breaking into secure complexes, shooting up security, grabbing the target, GTFO, shooting out in a car chase with Lone Star, meet the Johnson, get backstabbed by the Johnson, revenge on the Johnson, then crashing in a safe-house to bandage easily-recovered-from 'shoulder wounds' and popping the tab on a cheap SoyBeer Lite.

That said, I have a character concept for a gunbunny who has a habit of correcting the usage of firearms terms, etc. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I've suggested calibers.

I was severely beaten. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

I LOVE the .338 Lapua... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)