It is almost 5AM here and I just got back from my brother's graduation party and I am too high on caffeine to go to sleep.
I'll owe you a source for now, but I'm almost sure that Boeing belonged to Aztechnology and when Ghostwalker went to Denver and disrupted them, Ares became the major shareholder of Boeing (at least that's what my friend has told me).

I'll have to find this, but I remember reading somewhere that Colt is subsidized by Ares...

Colt, last I checked, helt the IP for the AR-15 family of rifles (including the M-16). The M22/23 are direct decendants of those rifles, so I always assumed they were Ares.

Couldn't find anything to hold my claims. The best thing was the dumpshock wiki saying that Boeing has partnership with both Aztec and ARES.

Best I can recall (AFB currently) is from New Seattle and Corporate Download. Federated-Boeing was AA and still independent.

Then again, I'm the token SR3 guy. Matrix Crash 2.0 never happened in my world, so if FB got acquired it was after the shutdown.

Shocked to see mention of Walther upthread, everyone state-side forgets that they have an entire line other than the S&W PPK. Don't agree with 9x19 being a "light" round, but that's an old ballistic argument made fairly moot by modern JHP. I'm certainly not going to start that one. I carry 9x19, but that's due to my preference for the P99, which features 1/3 the capacity and a horrid felt recoil in .40 S&W.

I'd imagine by 2070 there is a new pistol caliber war going on between the Ares 10x21mm (10 mm), the Aztechnology 10.5x23mm (10 mm South) and the S-K 10x20mm (10 mm Kurz). Of course all three will have functionally identical projectiles and marginally different ballistic profiles.

My important question is who owns Raven? The 6th World needs a manufacturer of really unreliable .25 ACP hold-outs.

You know, when I read that last part, there's only one thing I have to say to you:

You are one sick duck.

As to the rest of it, I'm personally curious about getting my hands on a FN Five-seveN pistol. The round's got some great potential, but with a shorter barrel you're not going to get the velocity of the SMG potential, but that's true across the board. It's an interesting argument for a small-diameter round, though.

And I carry a Glock 22 .40 S&W, and I don't have any problems with the recoil... on the other hand, I practice rapid fire expressly so that I don't notice the recoil any more. But that's me.

Thanks, I like being considered a sicko. Someone in the 6th World has to be making "Saturday Night Specials" which are more dangerous to the user than the target. I vote Raven for that.

From what I've heard the Five-Seven is frighteningly accurate and has pretty moderate handling. They are not inexpensive to keep fed however. I've not had the chance to shoot one.

My recoil comment is specific to the P99 AS. Walther's Browning-like action makes it pull weirdly in .40 S&W. Plus if I want a 7+1, I'll carry a sub-compact or a 1911 clone. Otherwise I'm grudgingly in favor of the .40 S&W. It's a solid round out of everything else I've shot.

The only thing that outperforms it across the spectrum is the .45 ACP +P, and only a handful of automatics can handle it. When I lay down the cash for my H&K USP Tactical, it's going to be in .45 because it CAN handle the +P, and .45 ammo can be pretty cheap to plink with, and I know a reloader.

As the the price of the 5.7x28, I've found places where the price is as low as decent .40 S&W. Now, that's not necessarily saying much, but it's coming down. It also depends very heavily on the load you select; The plastic tipped hollow point (no, that's not a mistake) is approaching assault rifle ammunition. That particular round is especially effective against body armor, I hear. The reason the Five-seveN is so expensive to feed is the size of the clip: it's scarry easy to empty twenty rounds down range, and then do it again. But for the accuracy, extra penetration and so forth, I'm willing to give the thing a try. I have to say, however, that it's amongst the ugliest pieces I've laid eyes on lately. I'll just have to see what the ergonomics are like on it. Because of the shape of my hands, I actually prefer the Glock to nearly everything on the marked with the singular exception of the USP.

In Arsenal, every mention of Colt is stand-alone. Ares does not own the M22A3 or M23, since they are listed as Colt products. I could have sworn that Ares did own it though...

Don't recall where I read it, but Ares does own Colt. They won't abandon the name for the same reason that GM still sells Cadillacs and Corvettes. The brand is iconic, which carries a tremendous value. Ares might make the best selling handgun in the world, but there are still going to be some people who trust their lives to a Manhunter because their grandfather trusted his to the 1911 that got him through *Insert conflict here*.

Maybe I'm remembering something from long, long ago? 1st Ed Street Sam Catalog?

Possible. It lists the Colt Manhunter in an Ares Sellrag, as well as the Colt M22A2 Assault Rifle. I imagine that, like said above, Colt is a Sub of Ares that kept its name for advertising reasons.

That's always been my perception. I actually put my speciffic thoughts in red a ways up responding to another post.

Good idea. I'll check out my Street Sam catalog and see which brand names are presented there.

Since just about every Colt in the game seems to be a UCAS military weapon - not that civies can't buy and use most of them - I've made Colt into a UCAS-owned (government-controlled) company.

Hmmm, no, I have to disagree. I don't see something like that going to a group as rife with graft as the UCAS government. Somebody would have picked it up for a song from some corrupt beuracrat.

I'm not so sure about Browning belonging to Ares. IRL Browning is a subsidiary of FN. I'd guess they'd keep the trademark for their civilian products. The old Corporate Shadowfiles sourcebook mentions FN as a subsidiary of the Japanese AA Monobe. Maybe there's newer information in Corporate Enclaves? Walther doesn't belong to SK, but to Ruhrmetall, SKs domestic AA competitor. IRL Hämmerli was acquired by Walther in 2006, I'd guess it's up to the GM whether to go along with that. IIRC SoE mentions Beretta as a subsidiary of the French Esprit Industries defence conglomerate.

The original Military Armaments Corporation ceased operations in 1976 and IIRC the successor company that acquired the rights to the Ingram designs went defunct after the 1986 Firearms Owner's Protection Act banned manufacturing of full-auto weapons for civilian sales. Since the Ingram Smartgun of SR probably owes its existence to the MAC-10's appearances in 80's action movies, I'd guess Ingram in 2070 is just a label used for marketing purposes. Ares is probably the best bet as proprietor.

ETA: What about Smith & Wesson? I don't recall any SR book ever mentioning them. I've got S&W products in "my" SR game, but has there ever been any official mention?

These are the brands I've found in the Street Sam catalog:

Ingram
Heckler und Koch
Bereta
Colt Manhunter
Ceska (Ares says they import them)