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post Aug 20 2009, 04:10 PM
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QUOTE (BlueMax @ Aug 19 2009, 08:35 PM) *
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Maybe how *you* play it.
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Was it Chrome? or Chrome 2.0 that had catgirl suites for CP2020?

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chromebook 2 i think, as chormebook 3 introed the full body conversions...
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post Aug 20 2009, 04:15 PM
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Porno catgirl was in YotC - she was an office secretary that SURGEd and got in trouble for having sex with one of the mailboys in a copy room and got ditched, then turned to porno because she discovered she really dug doing the nasty. Her parents disowned her and so did a few of her friends, but she was making a pretty good living at the time.

ETA: Damn it Bull, I had something good going there (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

(I at least want to leave the comic link in)
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post Aug 20 2009, 04:32 PM
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Heh.

For the record, I don't have any real major issue with the idea of "catgirls". My issue generally comes from the fact that the type of player who will WANT to play that character is also the same type of player who wanted to play a Kender, or wanted to play a Drow (Probably a Ranger. With Scimitars!) or Wants to play Boba Fett. They're doing it because it's "KEWL!" (or occasionally "KYOOT!") as opposed to playing it for any solid RP reasons.

Of course, that type of player will usually annoy me no matter what they play (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) But, I'm just saying...

I mean, after all, you're talking to a guy who's planning to make a Windling/Pixie if his current Missions character ever dies, and who's written rules for playing Disney's Gargoyles in Shadowrun (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) And the first thing I ever wrote for Shadowrun was the "First Church of Elvis" and Elvis Shamans. I know from silly (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Aug 20 2009, 04:34 PM
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Agreed on that. I had one friend play a kender, but he honestly made us laugh. He made us laugh all the way up to getting his hands on a Wish spell and wishing for all the beer in the world - and promptly drowned as it fell from the sky, into his open mouth. I love being the GM sometimes.

On a kind of related note, Saturday night at Gencon we were at a friend's party when a few of his other friends show up - one of them had a Malkavian mirror tattoo on his leg. He didn't do anything while I was there, but we heard the next morning that there'd been some trouble...
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post Aug 20 2009, 04:39 PM
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QUOTE
Disney's Gargoyles in Shadowrun

This is relevant to my interests!

As for the webcomic . . i don't know what people find on that one . .
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post Aug 20 2009, 04:45 PM
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ok might aswell spill on my golden star challenge since eavryone is stuck on some comic

I was refering to DeceasedCrab LP of Shadowrun for the SNES


a very fun LP for any Shadowrun nerd out there
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post Aug 20 2009, 04:51 PM
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ah, ol crab. i still recall watching him play la-mulana (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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post Aug 20 2009, 05:48 PM
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QUOTE (KCKitsune @ Aug 20 2009, 07:48 AM) *
Why not have SURGE as a reason?


Basically, I like the effort and thought that has gone into trying to make all the magical elements of Shadowrun realistic and the semi-low key tone of it all. SURGE was like a five year old suddenly grabbed the setting and scribbled all over it. I like ice-cream. I like cheese. I don't like cheese in my ice-cream. The tone and setting of Shadowrun was torn to shreds. Now this is all my opinion and others may differ, but to me, SURGE was entirely the wrong flavour as well as being yet another repeat of the endlessly repeated plot of "people change a bit (but not in an unbalancing way of course) and the world is consumed by fear and prejudice yada yada". (Did it again with Technomancers, incidentally). If anything should ever be retconned in Shadowrun, then as far as I'm concerned, it's SURGE, second only to Dunklezahn being behind every good thing that ever happened in the entire world ever. Immortal Elves are fine as long as Leonardo is out of the picture. (Okay, Leonardo, Mother Dunklezahn and SURGE in that order).

As regards pride in furridom, no, there's no need to feel great pride in having a particular interest, unless you are routinely condemned by society for having that interest in which case pride is a kind of redress of balance. If everyone condemned me for having breakfast, I'd probably take a certain defiant pride in this morning's porridge and orange. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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post Aug 20 2009, 05:48 PM
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QUOTE (Bull @ Aug 20 2009, 12:06 PM) *
Kids, lets leave the furry discussion for another board. Especially the discussion about the adult stuff. Lets keep this relevant to Shadowrun.


No problem Bull, I just know that "furry" elicits different context for different people and I was curious as to where remmus drew the line between "ok" and "not ok." For most people its when it crosses over into a fetish--which is why "furry" has a bad name (most people are more familiar with furry being used that way) and I think that's why most people don't want catgirls (and other "furry" characters) in their ShadowRun.

I may be mistaken, of course.
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post Aug 20 2009, 08:53 PM
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Pretty sure that he didn't, actually.


Luckily he cleared up my confusion. I hated YoTC with a passion only rivaled by hatred for actual furries.

QUOTE ( @ Aug 19 2009, 02:52 PM) *
You can blame a lot of YotC on me (At the very least, I was in the YotC brainstorming session and agreed with a lot of what went into the book, if I didn't suggest it in the first place), but Catgirls were not my thing.


Saved by the Jury! Heh!

We ignore most of the SURGE rules, so it's no loss. YoTC sits on my shelf, and there like a bad rash it will stay! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Aug 21 2009, 03:38 AM
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SURGE has been one of the more interesting parts of Shadowrun for me. It upends part of the setting and adds in chaos. Just when the megas thought they had a lock on the 6th world, something comes along and the jokers are wild again. Just when you thought you were comfortable with the status quo, shit happens. Something or someone else just became the cutting edge. It is a recurring theme (which works for publishers, since they need to sell new books) that the more things change, the more they stay the same and vice versa. Just when you thought that you knew what Shadowrun was about, SURGE comes in to play. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/silly.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rollin.gif)
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post Aug 21 2009, 04:03 AM
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from experience, what riles most people about YOTC surge, was the part about hitting PC's with it at random...
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post Aug 21 2009, 05:36 AM
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QUOTE (Bull @ Aug 20 2009, 11:06 AM) *
Kids, lets leave the furry discussion for another board. Especially the discussion about the adult stuff. Lets keep this relevant to Shadowrun.


Here's the thing... IN the SR books we are referring to, Furries are referenced in an adult manner (catgirl porn star). So how is it not relevant? SR is an adult game, and adult issues should come up.

I'm not trying to start anything, but where is the line drawn?
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post Aug 21 2009, 05:51 AM
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QUOTE (Shinxy @ Aug 20 2009, 09:14 AM) *
Clarification: I don't have any issue with using cyberware and bioware to make catgirls. I do have an issue with the idea that a fragging comet would make people suddenly mutate into a zillion and one different fantasy creatures. I'm trying to keep a modicum in realism in an already fairly unbelievable game universe, and the comet stuff is like a bad B-movie.


They explained that the comet was responsible for a spike magical energy. That's the reason for all of the orichalcum that spontaneously appeared as well as the SURGE
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post Aug 23 2009, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Aug 19 2009, 08:26 PM) *
Ewww, you got furry in my cyberpunk! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/spin.gif)

Disappointment is born from expectation, do not expect anything and you won't be disappointed.
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post Aug 23 2009, 09:18 PM
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QUOTE (AllTheNothing @ Aug 23 2009, 05:03 PM) *
Disappointment is born from expectation, do not expect anything and you won't be disappointed.


Expectation is premeditated disappointment.
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post Aug 23 2009, 09:55 PM
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QUOTE (Bull @ Aug 20 2009, 03:00 AM) *
I wouldn't worry about it...

However, I will say this... To a certain degree, Catgirls aren't exactly out of place in Cyberpunk. From a lot of Cyberpunk themed Anime to William Gibson, the idea of anthromorph modified people (Usually through bio-sculpting) has been around for decades. <shrug> SO they're not really THAT out of place (Though I dislike them as a Surge option).

However, my rule for Catgirls is the same as my rule for Kender... 99% of the time, anyone who WANTS to play one, is someone who should NOT be allowed to play one. Because they're usually playing them for the wrong reason.

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Personaly I like catgirls ..... as NPCs.
One that I made was an NPC of a short story ark that I've GMed, an albino catgirl suffering multiple personalities disorder, the PCs were hired by one of hers selfs to keep in check her because two of hers personalities were at war with each other, and there was a Humanis chapter that wanted get rid of the "mutant bitch"; my player threatened me of dire physical consequences if I ever did anything like that again, which is strange considering that I had already punished one of my player by having his male troll samurai surging into an ermaphrodit troll samurai without too many problems (the troll just got the female equipment surgicaly removed).
Other exemples are a Cat shaman catgirl who was the owner of a lore store and doubled as an healer, and a young dog shaman that surged into a catboy and was terrified by his own totem.
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post Aug 23 2009, 10:15 PM
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QUOTE (AllTheNothing @ Aug 23 2009, 05:55 PM) *
and a young dog shaman that surged into a catboy and was terrified by his own totem.


Now see, that's funny.
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post Aug 23 2009, 10:36 PM
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Personally I have no real problem with the "cat girl" character and to an extent a furry character. It is no different than playing as anything else that is not human, it all depends on the idea behind the character. A furry or cat girl character is no better or worse than playing an elf or other non human. Its a RPG and the General reason for playing an RPG is to allow you to slip into the shoes of someone else and experience the world through their eyes, which includes that of non humans when given the chance. In the end, wither a character should be allowed or not is relative to the kind of game that is going to be played and the people who play it. If you are trying to run a game that is serious and mature and a player is making a character to broadcast and play out a sexual thing (fetish or not), than you should ask them to not do so; especially if it will make other players uncomfortable.
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Does anyone remember Tabby from the Denver missions?
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^^^^That's the one I was trying to remember at the beginning (2nd page) of this thread. It's been driving me nuts trying to remember, thanks Aardvark.
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I wrote Tabby in--yes, she was a Changeling who expressed with feline qualities, but she was far from a cat-girl. Unlike the pornstar mentioned above, Tabby was a woman who was lost and trying to pick up the pieces of her old life. She had a facade, like most people do, that she portrayed as liking the change. Underneath it all, she was another person whose entire sense of self-identity was stripped away by forces beyond her control. I think Squinky did a great job with the illustration of her--she is still human as far as bone structure is concerned, but she has fur, vertically slit pupils, etc. With contacts/cybereyes and some laser hair removal, Tabby would be able to recover part of her identity. Everything that she was before though is lost to her and can never be recovered.

I'd imagine that for people who went through SURGE, the process of becoming a changeling is very similar to UGE and Goblinization. While some may accept it, if their new appearance is a better match for their self-identity, I think most will have some serious issues to overcome. Imagine that you go to bed and wake up the next morning with the a different gender or race than when you went to sleep, individuals who don't associate with their gender may be pleased at the new change--others will be panicking and trying to find a way to put it all back.

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QUOTE (BishopMcQ @ Aug 24 2009, 09:08 AM) *
Imagine that you go to bed and wake up the next morning with the a different gender or race than when you went to sleep, individuals who don't associate with their gender may be pleased at the new change--others will be panicking and trying to find a way to put it all back.


Putting it all back shouldn't be much trouble at all, especially for Shadowrunners. I never really got all the "Oh, stuck as a freak" emo-stuff, not when said characters could have spent 2 lousy BPs or less to get rid of it.
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QUOTE (Fuchs @ Aug 24 2009, 02:24 AM) *
Putting it all back shouldn't be much trouble at all, especially for Shadowrunners. I never really got all the "Oh, stuck as a freak" emo-stuff, not when said characters could have spent 2 lousy BPs or less to get rid of it.



You are confusing the physical with the psychological and social. No matter what, you went through the effects of SURGE.
On one hand, since it *IS* described as painful, you have to deal with the cognitive dissonance, going "I lived through this...so it must be something I have to deal with." On the other hand..you went through it. People met you while you were going through it, and after. People knew you were going through it. If your friends abandoned you as a freak because
you started sprouting thorns, or grew horns. You get those removed..your now ex-friends and social circles that abandoned you because of it will STILL think of you as a freak. You cannot go back into those social circles. You are
not the person you were before, even if you go back, because the experience has changed you.
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QUOTE (Bull @ Aug 20 2009, 11:32 AM) *
For the record, I don't have any real major issue with the idea of "catgirls". My issue generally comes from the fact that the type of player who will WANT to play that character is also the same type of player who wanted to play a Kender, or wanted to play a Drow (Probably a Ranger. With Scimitars!) or Wants to play Boba Fett. They're doing it because it's "KEWL!" (or occasionally "KYOOT!") as opposed to playing it for any solid RP reasons.

Of course, that type of player will usually annoy me no matter what they play (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) But, I'm just saying...

I mean, after all, you're talking to a guy who's planning to make a Windling/Pixie if his current Missions character ever dies, and who's written rules for playing Disney's Gargoyles in Shadowrun (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) And the first thing I ever wrote for Shadowrun was the "First Church of Elvis" and Elvis Shamans. I know from silly (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Bull


I agree, all the Drizzt wannabes irritate the hell out of me. It seems like everyone who has read any Drizzt novels suddenly wants to make a character that is Drizzt or is based on Drizzt and is Drizzt with another name. Every novelized setting has that character that everyone wants to be, or a "class" of characters that everyone wants to be, or both. With Star Wars, it's Boba Fett and Jedi. I swear, if Boba Fett ever mysteriously gained the ability to use the Force, I would curse the author who penned it to the 9th circle of Hades to live in eternal damnation with Satan, Brutus, Judas, and Cassius.

Taking a character someone else has made and change the name? Bad
Taking characteristics of multiple characters other people have made and mesh them together in some form that would make psychiatrists see a psychiatrist? Good.
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