And THAT was an Coinkydink? x.x

some of them are, yes. But some of them also retain their humanity. And that's where life gets interesting for the poor bastards.

Just in case you haven't seen this one yet, here's how Twilight SHOULD have ended:

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hmm....damn forum won't let me post inline images. ah well - y'all can just copy/paste the damn link for yourselves.

4 weeks, sped grown.

Also, for essence, don't forget to eat your Watcher Spirits.

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This doesn"t work, you need a physical sentient subject. Zoocanthropes, naga, pixies and other meta-sapient would qualify, but not spirits as they are astral creatures, not physical, even when manifesting.

Heh, that sure would have made it more interesting.

For those who don't feel like using copy + paste

Epic.


This is what I get for not reading something completely before posting..

Ok, stupid quest, can a vampire get cosmetic surgery? or would they simply regen any procedure done to them?

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It's possible for the Infected (including vampires) to have cyberware or bioware implants. But it's extremely difficult and expensive. Any cosmetic surgery would have to be done using specially cultivated tissue. Delta grade all the way.

it would be easier to use nanopaste disguises and the occasional illusion spell.

would it get regenerated, if the procedure was done before they got changed?

I would say no. and if done with delta grade bio and cyberware implants, it wouldn't regenerate even after they were infected.

cyber you had in there gets kicked out by regeneration.
regeneration basically tells your body how it has to look and makes it so.
why would you say that this does not count for plastic chirurgy?

From the book: Any creature with regeneration must get deltaware grade implants because of the difficulty that their bodies cause, and any cosmetic surgery only lasts a few days as their body repairs the modifications made to it.

I'd be surprised to think it would last more then a few minutes, but ya, that's what I was thinking, I was just wondering if because it has no 'combat' effect it was somehow exempt.

Yeah, I was kinda surprised about that too consider that a creature with regeneration can get rid of any wound up to death within a few seconds. I'd imagine the fact that they are actually implanting stuff and/or crating scars might have something to do with it. That or it is just one of those 'handwave to make it an option for a short term disguise' type of things.

Okay, remember the bit I said earlier about reading somewhere about some vampire who drank blood from blood banks rather than drinking from unwilling victims because he was a decent "human being"? Well, I found it.

From Threats (FASA, 1996), pg 32:

>>>>>([writer of the article being discussed] is no better than the bigot he started off denouncing. I knew a vampire named Victor DeLann; ran a bar called The Count's here in San Francisco. He bought his blood from hospitals, or drank small amounts from people who wanted to see how it felt. Victor wouldn't hurt a fly. But some fool watched one too many reruns of Kill the Dead, then broke into Victor's apartment just after dawn and staked him while he was sleeping. Some people just can't coexist with anyone different.)<<<<<
--Darwin (07:20:49/05-25-57)

This tidbit makes it sound like Victor could have survived solely on blood and wasn't a monster. Did the rules for vampires' essence drain and dietary requirements change from 2nd edition to 4th edition? I know that banshees changed: back in SR2, banshees drained essence directly from someone's fear when they used their fear/paralyzing howl on their victim, and I don't remember a thing about banshees actually drinking blood back then. Why the changes, I wonder?

EDIT: SR2, pg 221:
"Unlike the vampire, [a banshee] appears to survive completely on Essence derived from its terrified victims."

Also noticed vampires used to have a severe sunlight allergy in SR2. So did the daywalker retrovirus (or whatever it was called) that was being worked on in the SR novel The Terminus Experiment actually work?

I'm guessing that a Vampire's diet changed at some point from just blood to blood and essence. There is no way you could get essence from blood, because donating blood (and bleeding) don't cost you essence, so there is no essence in the blood to drain away.

As for the severe allergy? I don't know, that could just be a case of the mechanics changing enough that the old severe is the new moderate (Not mild like I think I posted earlier). No idea about the daywalker retrovirus, could be. Nosferatu still have severe allergy, so they have to stay inside during the day.

Or use an "Alleviate Allergy" spell.

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I'm guessing that a Vampire's diet changed at some point from just blood to blood and essence. There is no way you could get essence from blood, because donating blood (and bleeding) don't cost you essence, so there is no essence in the blood to drain away.
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The blood would have to have some essence of its own, as you can assense it, and it isn't dead. SR seems pretty clear that no essence = dead.

You can assense a pool of blood? Since when? I've never heard of that.

Also, even if it does have essence (Which seems odd), doesn't mean it qualifies for vampire draining.

Plants have essence (I think) but a vampire can't feed on his rose garden.

Personally I figure that the poster of the Shadowtalk simply didn't understand what his vampire friend was "really" doing to those people who wanted to see what it felt like to be sipped from. The blood from the bank would satify his requirement to drink blood, and the "willing victims" handled his requirement to dine upon the souls of people.

As far as I remember, vamps have always had the requirement to do both.

Hehe, that would make alot of sense. It isn't like they can go "Hey man, my essence just went down a point, what is that all about?"

Aye, and it is also possible that the vamp in question might not have really understood what he was doing either, just that "fresh" blood tasted better than the stale crap from the banks and that every once in a while he got cravings for the good stuff.

I think, my memory is a little fuzzy on whether or not the soul sucking undead (Yes, yes I know that they aren't "really" undead.) are reborn with an understanding of how and why their feeding powers works.