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Karoline
post Oct 11 2009, 09:29 PM
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QUOTE (kzt @ Oct 11 2009, 05:27 PM) *
I did a search and you find multiple answers from the devs and freelancers involved in the writing the rules. The Devs seem to be unsure as to how to handle the cyberlimb armor, the freelancers all seem sure it's supposed to stack, it's deliberately unlike SR3. Given that you have so many different understanding from people involved in writing the rules you can do whatever the hell you want and claim it's what the rules say. Then again, you can do this for about half of the core mechanics of SR4....


Well, you can claim it is what they intend, but they obviously don't say it.
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post Oct 11 2009, 09:58 PM
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QUOTE (Karoline @ Oct 11 2009, 02:29 PM) *
Well, you can claim it is what they intend, but they obviously don't say it.

No, what they say is it adds armor. There isn't any place in SR4 that has armor being averaged. See last rule on armor and encumbrance on page 149. It's all additive. This does seem lead to insanity, but that's exactly what some people involved in the design process seem to think was what was the intended outcome.

Rob was quoted as saying it was there only to defend against called shots, which is pretty much completely pointless given the game mechanics.
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post Oct 12 2009, 03:07 AM
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Well, here's a modest effort from me. I'm not that good at the rules-exploit tweaks; I'm more of a min-maxer than a loophole-finder. But I keep hearing how high dice pools and tough characters "break" the game, so maybe this guy qualifies. Like the pornomancer, he is functional, but not optimal, because he is mostly a one-trick pony.

He rolls 23 dice for pistols, 20 dice for his monowhip, 11 dice for passive dodge, and 19 dice for actively dodging bullets. Also 13 dice for infiltration, aided by his chameleon suit.

The only optional rule coming into play is the one that cosmetic surgery can increase Charisma up to +3. Also assuming that wired reflexes and reaction enhancers stack.

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post Oct 12 2009, 04:44 PM
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I most humbly submit Doc Ripper. (Don't drink the water! They're adding chemicals to it that'll turn you into a wageslave!)

Did Binky take an AT Rocket? We can fix him. We have the medical skills.

Doc Ripper specialises in healing the most damage possible, reliably. He can heal up to 10 boxes of damage with First Aid thanks to his boosted skill, and he has all the tricks to push his DP up. He is also an absolute genius intellect, which makes you wonder why he's 'running instead of working magic in a clinic.
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post Oct 13 2009, 02:29 AM
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QUOTE (Heath Robinson @ Oct 12 2009, 10:44 AM) *
I most humbly submit Doc Ripper. (Don't drink the water! They're adding chemicals to it that'll turn you into a wageslave!)

Did Binky take an AT Rocket? We can fix him. We have the medical skills.

Doc Ripper specialises in healing the most damage possible, reliably. He can heal up to 10 boxes of damage with First Aid thanks to his boosted skill, and he has all the tricks to push his DP up. He is also an absolute genius intellect, which makes you wonder why he's 'running instead of working magic in a clinic.



All I can say about Doc Ripper is that he highlight exactly why a lot of people think that the First Aid Rules are extremely broken...
With someone like him, Hospitals become obsolete...

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post Oct 13 2009, 02:38 AM
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QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Oct 12 2009, 10:29 PM) *
All I can say about Doc Ripper is that he highlight exactly why a lot of people think that the First Aid Rules are extremely broken...
With someone like him, Hospitals become obsolete...

Keep the Faith


Don't you know? Band-aids fix -everything- up to but usually excluding death (mummies not counted)
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post Oct 13 2009, 02:51 AM
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QUOTE (Karoline @ Oct 12 2009, 08:38 PM) *
Don't you know? Band-aids fix -everything- up to but usually excluding death (mummies not counted)



There is that... at least in Shadowrun anyways...
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post Oct 13 2009, 03:04 AM
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QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Oct 12 2009, 10:51 PM) *
There is that... at least in Shadowrun anyways...


And animes. There is no life-threatening injury that can't be healed by a day or two of bed rest and a good wrapping of band-aids (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

So, no one ever answered on if we are including karmagen characters in this or not. And if so, can we use the old karmagen rules?
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post Oct 13 2009, 04:09 AM
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QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Oct 12 2009, 06:29 PM) *
All I can say about Doc Ripper is that he highlight exactly why a lot of people think that the First Aid Rules are extremely broken...
With someone like him, Hospitals become obsolete...

Keep the Faith


When you mend flesh and bone with magic, hospitals are rather obsolete. That is, if you have access to it.
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post Oct 13 2009, 07:17 AM
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QUOTE (Karoline @ Oct 13 2009, 05:04 AM) *
And animes. There is no life-threatening injury that can't be healed by a day or two of bed rest and a good wrapping of band-aids (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

So, no one ever answered on if we are including karmagen characters in this or not. And if so, can we use the old karmagen rules?

Use whatever Means neccessary it seems.
Heck, look at my binky, i don't even understand the rules, it's basically just a pretty much insane and probably rules illegal but logical concept . .
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post Oct 13 2009, 11:43 AM
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QUOTE (Karoline @ Oct 13 2009, 05:04 AM) *
So, no one ever answered on if we are including karmagen characters in this or not. And if so, can we use the old karmagen rules?


Anything in any official rulebook. The GM agrees to anything *g* So you could use the Karmagen like it is done in the Companion.
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post Oct 13 2009, 12:31 PM
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QUOTE (Summerstorm @ Oct 13 2009, 07:43 AM) *
Anything in any official rulebook. The GM agrees to anything *g* So you could use the Karmagen like it is done in the Companion.


Let the insanitay begin.
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post Oct 27 2009, 06:01 PM
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What on earth is a pornomancer!?!
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post Oct 27 2009, 06:33 PM
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A pornomancer is someone who can turn any social test into a multi race multi person orgy just by shmoozing around . .
Basically, 40 to 50 dice in social tests. He could piss on the mafia dons mother and the mafia don would offer his daughter for marriage . .
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post Oct 27 2009, 06:52 PM
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QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Oct 27 2009, 06:33 PM) *
multi person orgy

As opposed to single person orgies?

QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Oct 27 2009, 06:33 PM) *
He could piss on the mafia dons mother and the mafia don would offer his daughter for marriage . .

You mean he wouldn't normally?
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post Oct 27 2009, 06:55 PM
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Single Person Orgies are very viable in Shadowrun i am afraid.
Also, no, he would not offer her up for marriage to someone who just wet his mother.
Well, if he isn't into that stuff at least . .
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post Oct 27 2009, 07:06 PM
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QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Oct 27 2009, 06:55 PM) *
Single Person Orgies are very viable in Shadowrun i am afraid.
Also, no, he would not offer her up for marriage to someone who just wet his mother.
Well, if he isn't into that stuff at least . .



I was trying to be sarcastic. I think I failed.
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post Oct 27 2009, 07:09 PM
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*Shrugs* Sarcasm and the such doesn't translate as easy in writing as it does in other media.
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