Never works.

The title of this thread is CGL Speculation. If you have a problem with a discussion/argument that speculates about CGL, this thread is by definition not for you. If you have a problem with the viewpoints of someone taking part in that speculation, that is a personal beef. Either participate by giving your own views or don't. Attacking the person instead is weak. So you don't like Fuchs' opinions? Me either, but I'm here for discourse not a warm hug party.

Mesh

Never been to Bulldrek, eh?

True enough. But in general, Americans are far more about politeness than Germans (with the possible exception of Russians, everyone seems to be), at least this is my observation.


*rollseyes* No. Reported for baiting.

Also, you seem systematically looking for a fight with anyone who's not ready to lynch everyone not anymore working for IMR/CGL. You may agree or disagree but that is my perception and frankly it's as valid as that of anyone else.

You do post the same stuff over and over and over and over and over and ctrl-v etc. Looking back at your posts there is a LOT of ......but TROLLMAN! INJUSTICE! Warrrrrgabbbbbble!

We defend the tone of Fuchs' posts, not the content. But such differentiation si lost to someone as full of self righteous nerd rage as you are.

In short, I think you flame too much. Read more, flame less.

If you live in certain regions in the Balkans or some islamic states, sure. People there might even shoot their children.



If you and some other folks wouldn't try to water the facts down over and over again, that wouldn't be necessary and we wouldn't have a gazillion useless posts and some gems in between.

So just hold back a little and everything will be fine, pal.

Okay, I'm bumping my own post since I think it might've been the last on-topic one posted. Does anyone have the answers to any of these questions? I'm rather curious to know what to expect from the future.

Actually EN world has just such a section in the form of Circvs Maximvs. It self moderates very well and I can only think of maybe half a two or three people who've been banned in its entire history and that was due either to criminal activity or because they were a threat to the existence of the site

So you're saying the EN World never has any flame wars outside of Circvs Maximvs.

AFAIK, both are the same time.


This was discussed in an earlier thread (somewhere). The short version, if they lose the license, is this:

• All production and work on licensed materials stops
• The new license holder gets all the paid for and developed materials
• Unpaid for material reverts to the copyright holder

The new company could see the existing stock if they wanted.


Depends on who the new license holder (assuming CGL looses the license) is. If they have a plan up and running, could as quick as a few months.

-M&P

The RPG Site works just fine that way.

Do you know the exact date by any chance?

"Could see the existing stock"...do you mean whatever they have printed and sitting in a warehouse ready to go to a distributor, or something else?

And will CGL get compensated at all for whatever unproduced-but-paid-for material Topps takes back?

/Sorry if this was gone over before...just reading this thread was a challenge, I couldn't bring myself to go through 7 other double-digit page threads...and a recap is always nice.

That's a shame, there's some really good outrage in there.

I believe Frank Trollman mentioned on his forum about a requested extension of the license to cover though Gen Con, but I don't know if that was granted or even substantiated. Sadly in all these threads we've never really had better than "the end of May".

Everything created and paid for. Once its paid for by CGL, they have the copyright. All of the material that has been paid for would revert back to Topps as the license expires.



Generally, no. But that depends on the specific license agreement.

-M&P

I am unsure of what I am being accused of?

I was making a general statement about people downplaying Jason and CGLs mistakes. I didn't want to call anyone out specifically.

I would suggest next time you don't want to call anyone out specifically I would suggest you don't use the words


Just to be clear I'm directly accusing you of this action




It might be taken to be aimed at someone directly

Entirely my fault. I missed the "not" and I've gone back and edited the original post. Sorry for that.

Nothing happened Nothing to forgive

If this is true, then Jason's assertion that Corpguide has been sent to the printer bears looking at. If indeed it has gone to the printer, a US printer to get it done faster, then that suggests that IMR/CGL must feel confident that they will be able to recoup that cost. I can't see them spending thousands of dollars to print a new book, with new material, if they didn't feel confident that they could sell it.

This is just my speculation (see the tile of the thread), but it would lead me to believe that the license is not likely to be going anywhere.

The alternative is that they are soliciting pre-orders for a book that has not been sent to the printers in the hopes to get one last coffer buff. However, Jason has said that the books have indeed been sent to a US printer, so I doubt that this level of fraud is the case. I honestly believe that if Jason is saying they've gone to the printer, then he has reason to believe that to be true. There might have been errors, mistakes, and miscomunications recently (shipping books with pulled copyright, AH's work in the first PDF for corp guide, etc.), but each time those have been remedied quickly upon discovery. Mistakes happen at every company; more mistakes happen when a company is in turmoil. That they've been remedied and Jason has been open about them is the reason I honestly believe that the books are off to print.

I'm not sure I saw US printer. Jason's tweet prior to the Corp Guide announcement said that he had sent a PDF overseas.


No one has stepped forward to clarify the situation on the license, but if IMR had a final on it you can be sure they would. In the meantime it's in their best interest to act like a solvent company that can print books, so what's a few thousand dollars if it means the ball stays in play?

IMR has a tarnished reputation that they need to overcome through quality product and a robust release schedule. So far I'm not seeing light at the end of the tunnel. They need that license if they are going to have a chance at all, and they are not in a position to tell us that they have secured it. That should tell you all you need to know.

Lack of evidence is not evidence of lack. Not the best application of that phrase, but I hope you get what I mean. Surely things getting published isn't a BAD sign, is it? Operation Klondike came out in print form fairly recently and TRO: 3085 seems to be progressing quite smoothly. Certainly not definitive evidence of success, but I'm not willing to consign CGL to oblivion because I haven't heard an official license announcement. Of course, I'm not very familiar with such license negotiations and such a silence may, in fact, be cause for doom...

Corp Guide was sent to a US printer, as I mentioned in another thread. The tweet you saw referred to a different book.

Jason H.

That is the post I was referring to that came after I challenged his statement of a release date in the "near future".



I tend to agree that if things had been secured they would have announced it; probably with pretty balloons and such. I also agree that acting like a solvent company is in their best interest. Where I disagree is that I don't think a compnay thats been struggling to pay its bills sees printing (what I understand to be one of the largest single payments for product) as something to just throw around just to pretend. If you are strapped for cash, and about to lose your income, taking on another large debt is not usually a good idea; unless you are at least fairly confident that you will not loose your income.

I'm not suggesting that the license is settled. I am merely speculating that if these books have indeed gone to the printers, then I think IMR/CGL at least feels confident that they have a chance to recoup the costs. If they knew they were losing the license, or felt confident that things were going that direction, delaying the announcement makes sense because you want to get as many sales as possible before the end. Spending on a new book that likely won't be sellable until after the license is expired just doesn't seem to make sense in this view.

He confirmed it in the thread where he announced the Corporate Guide PDF going up for sale. He stated the price differences in B&W with color cover are negligible between a domestic and overseas printer, and that the shorted turnaround time was much more important. Apparently, it's full-color where the price difference becomes a major factor.