Oh you mean like the M24 sniper rifle the US Army uses that has an internal magazine?

The XM30 sniper *is* the 7P/-2 I was referring to in my post. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

That one honestly seems like the exception.

It also is just a military version of a sport rifle, and can use box magazines. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

The WA-2000 (real life) is a purpose-built bullpup sniper rifle, with a box magazine.

Ok, the M40 sniper rifle the US Marine uses has an internal magazine too (though the M40A5 from 2009 has a detachable magazine, but that was last year).

The majority of SWAT snipers also use Remington 700 variants with internal magazines.

Right, *all* of those are just 700 (sport rifle) variants. :/ Because the one (civilian) gun they're all based on had an internal magazine. Just saying, because you're not wrong. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Distinguishing between sniper and sport rifles are for the most part quite silly tbh.

Ironically, the real WA 2000 saw less than 200 rifles ever produced and AFAIK never saw any military use - it is largely a collector's item.

But anyway, my point it that the the US army and USMC had sniper rifles with internal magazines for decades, and the army still does. The "armies would never use internal magazines" argument just doesn't hold.

And my point is that they're quickly being replaced with box magazine variants, so I am struggling to see a reason for the MA-2100 to have an internal magazine. Even the art in SR4 shows it as a bullpup box magazine loaded rifle (though it also shows a scope, when it does not come with one). Oh well.

Indeed, Smokeskin. I said you weren't wrong. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I just wanted to point out that it's actually just *one* example, instead of 3+. I assume The Grue Master is thinking about all the non-internal-magazine sniper rifles we see (for example) in Modern Warfare 2 or Bad Company 2, etc. [VSS, GOL, M95, M21, SVU, WA2000, etc.]

Compared to that wide array (# of choices as opposed to # in use/years in use), it seems less normal. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) And The Grue Master makes a solid point about how they're all heading to box magazines in newer variants.

I hadn't seen your post when I wrote mine (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)




Sure, it is less normal, and I don't think we'll see many if any internal magazine sniper rifles in the future (and especially not an SA one!). But with the most popular sniper rifles today having internal magazines, and the US army using them, the arguments that it was strange a rifle used by the army was internal magazine and you hardly ever saw them anymore just struck me as counter-factual. Internal magazines in sniper rifles are obviously quite fine to work with in the real world. Or at least it has been for a long time - without knowing anything about it, I'd guess the USMC is going to box magazines because of the different requirements for MOUT, countersniper, and infantry support.

Yeah, I wasn't arguing that we don't see (and won't see again) internal magazines, but in a weapon I had specifically imagined was used by squad marksmen (i.e. it is hardened for combat use) I guess I imagined a quicker reload would trump the advantages of an internal magazine (whatever those might be in 2070).

As for those game, I can't say I've had the pleasure of playing them (though my friends really want me to try Bad Company). I was actually just kinda randomly clicking various links on wikipedia and this weird engrish site about firearms (found here).

Yeah, those are the two sites I always use, too.

You're only allowed to do that if he calls everyone "farggin soona beeshes". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)