Of course ITNW is affected by AP Modifiers... it is ARMOR... Fire Immunty is treated like Fire Protection (Assuming the damage is not affected by the Hardening itself), thus it does not reduce, as it is a MODIFICATION of the armor rules...

But hey, Your table, your rules... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smokin.gif)

Unless stated in the SR4A or some errata somewhere, neither of which are actually quoted, I have quoted that you are flat wrong. It is armor. Period. Show me a hard rule where it says that the armor gained from Immunity is related to the Armor Modifications section, and not the sentence that uses an adjective to describe the armor as a protection. Quote for me, from a book, where it says it is an Armor Modification similar to Fire Protection, not some strange corollary that exists only in your mind.

It gives armor, just the exact same as ItNW, and it is affected by Armor Penetration (or similar effects), just the same as ItNW.

Treat it as you like Neraph, the rules for it are written poorly enough that your interpretation is perfectly valid.

Treating others, who look for similar rules to see how to treat a poorly written one, as flat wrong, is pretty rude though.

Sure Neraph... Because throwing out "You're Wrong" wins a lot of discussions... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

Face it, the rules are written poorly... using the interpretation that I (and others apparently) use is perfectly valid, as it appears to fit the spirit, if not the absolute letter, of what is written... As I said before... Your table, your rules, but don't tell me that My interpretation of those rules are wrong when you know that the rules are ambiguous at best...

Pretty soon, you are going to try and convince me that a Physical Adept MUST be a female because that is how the rules books are written... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smokin.gif)

Saying that Immunity (Fire) is not affected by armor reducing effects while Immunity (Normal Weapons) is is simply hypocritical (I did not want to use this word, but I can think of no better word). Not to mention you're using a single adjective to hinge your whole argument on. Or that the rules tell you to refer to Armor, and not Armor Modifications. There is no hard rules corollary that links Immunity to Armor Modifications, and the rules for the section are not particularly poorly written.

That's why I say it's wrong.

In any event, Immunity (Fire) the way it's supposed to be played still is effective, just not overwhelmingly so as you'd have it.

EDIT: Also, thank you for proving my point by not being able to find an actual rule to support your claim.

This is not to say that it can't be houseruled that way, nor to say that I would be against that house rule. This is just me informing/educating you how the actual RAW is stated.

I disagree... so that leaves us in a Stalemate... you won't budge, and neither will I... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smokin.gif)
So... What do you think on the ideas of using Goblins asd Thor Shot ammunition? While difficult to keep fed and content, it is very funny to me, I am not sure why...

Eh, fair enough.

I think hellhounds would be better for it, as they are more than likely less expensive to upkeep and less likely to complain.

I also think goblins should be an ork or troll version, not dwarf. Orks and trolls are called goblins, their Awakening was called Goblinization, they have Goblin Rock - why are dwarves lumped into their category? I believe it to be a misnomer.

Misgnomer?

Okay, that was bad... Minus 2 Internets for me... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smokin.gif)

But I have to agree... A Dwarven variant was an odd choice in my opinion... Goblins should be an Ork Variant (That whole Goblinization thing you mentioned)... but I really do not have any issues with it myself... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

The real question is: Would you hear one screaming while it is hurdling at you if he is going faster than the sound barrier?

And would it be considered a Death By Glomp?

Hmmmmm...

I would have to say No to the First one... But for the 7-10 seconds that it takes to hit, you will likely see a pretty orange light hurtling towards you.
Death by Glomp? I am, unfortunately, unfamiliar with that terminology... what is Glomp?

Glomp. And images for you to visualize.

EDIT: Especially this one and this one.

Someone needs to cosplay more^^

The term Neraph is referring to, is from fangirls' tendencies to glomp anyone playing as one of their fav bishies.

Wow, this terminology is greatly confusing... Bishies?
And not sure what Cosplay is, will follow the link... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

EDIT: Hmmmmmmm... Interesting...

It was kind of intended to be^^

Bishies

You stand at the threshold of a new world (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Ahhhhh... Pretty Boys, Got it...

Cosplaying. Especially well-done Samus is here.