 No surrender!, What's a GM to do? |
 Sep 11 2005, 09:27 PM
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But in Shadowrun, are there? Always? Is there an active desire among some or most players for Shadowrun situations to be created such that the player can resolve all situations Wolf-style? ("Wolf wins every fight but one, and in that one he dies.") From another thread:
Are you yourself a "no surrender" player? Do you frequently tend to play "no surrender" characters? Have you had this kind of experience with your own group, or with a specific player or character? Is "no surrender" unique to specific characters, or have you found that one or more players tend consistently to play these kinds of characters? Why do players choose to play Shadowrun with a "no surrender" attitude? Is it something isolated to a gaming environment, an escapist reaction to real life issues, a translation of the player's real life weltanschauung (ie. the way things "should" be)? Edit: per Clyde's
and The Grifter's later (3rd page)
is "no surrender" a form of metagaming? Does this kind of attitude enhance or detract from the group and/or individual Shadowrun experience? Is it to be encouraged, discouraged, or just plain lived with? How is a GM to deal with "no surrender" players or characters? [And another edit, to remind participants in this thread that a proportionately small number of SR interactive situations involve Lone Star.] |
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Talia Invierno No surrender! Sep 11 2005, 09:27 PM
DocMortand Personally, you either have to either stack the de... Sep 11 2005, 09:37 PM Kagetenshi If they are "no surrender" they die in a... Sep 11 2005, 09:37 PM Grinder QUOTE (Kagetenshi) If they are "no surrender... Sep 11 2005, 09:41 PM Lucifer I have played as 'die-hard' type character... Sep 11 2005, 10:18 PM northern lights my group has a pair of players (one of whom is gon... Sep 11 2005, 11:15 PM Siege I think Kage summed it up best - surrender is a ma... Sep 12 2005, 12:05 AM Clyde I've found that the "no surrender" m... Sep 12 2005, 12:39 AM Dawnshadow Player view..
Four different characters of mine.
... Sep 12 2005, 01:50 AM Deamon_Knight Dawn, where do you put characters that are only in... Sep 12 2005, 02:35 AM Dawnshadow Actually, strangely enough, that hasn't really... Sep 12 2005, 02:50 AM Shadow I think your asking the wrong question. When faced... Sep 12 2005, 05:33 AM Kagetenshi The 'Star doesn't pay its people enough fo... Sep 12 2005, 05:46 AM Sicarius I think that the nature of Shadowrunning is such, ... Sep 12 2005, 10:37 AM Mercer That and players tend to have a "never-say-di... Sep 12 2005, 10:46 AM Fortune QUOTE (Kagetenshi) The 'Star doesn't pay i... Sep 12 2005, 11:41 AM Kagetenshi QUOTE (Fortune) QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Sep 12 20... Sep 12 2005, 02:06 PM BitBasher QUOTE (Fortune) QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Sep 12 20... Sep 12 2005, 02:33 PM ShadowDragon8685 QUOTE (Kagetenshi) QUOTE (Fortune @ Sep 12 20... Sep 12 2005, 02:58 PM hyzmarca QUOTE (BitBasher) QUOTE (Fortune @ Sep 12 200... Sep 12 2005, 03:00 PM ShadowDragon8685 Hyzmarca, where do you live, exactly? Shitsville U... Sep 12 2005, 03:07 PM Kagetenshi QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685) There's gotta be some... Sep 12 2005, 03:25 PM Fox1 QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Sep 12 2005, 09:06 AM) I ... Sep 12 2005, 03:40 PM Fortune Regardless of what they are actually paid, my poin... Sep 12 2005, 03:44 PM hyzmarca QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685) Hyzmarca, where do you li... Sep 12 2005, 04:08 PM Fox1 QUOTE (Fortune) Regardless of what they are actual... Sep 12 2005, 04:13 PM Eyeless Blond QUOTE (Fortune @ Sep 12 2005, 07:44 AM) Regar... Sep 12 2005, 04:16 PM blakkie So exactly who can a 'runner surrender to agai... Sep 12 2005, 05:14 PM Grinder You had a way too nice GM. Sep 12 2005, 06:47 PM Fox1 QUOTE (blakkie) So basically to be taken alive in ... Sep 12 2005, 06:58 PM blakkie QUOTE (Grinder @ Sep 12 2005, 12:47 PM) You h... Sep 12 2005, 07:03 PM Sabosect Well, if you really want to be evil, keep in mind ... Sep 12 2005, 07:10 PM Fox1 QUOTE (blakkie) And yes Fox1, SR could be run diff... Sep 12 2005, 07:20 PM hyzmarca It is important to remember that there are more al... Sep 12 2005, 07:30 PM ShadowDragon8685 Hyzmarca, we're dealing with criminals and Lon... Sep 12 2005, 07:42 PM Kagetenshi QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685) Really, is Lone Star goin... Sep 12 2005, 08:07 PM Grinder QUOTE (blakkie) QUOTE (Grinder @ Sep 12 2005,... Sep 12 2005, 08:31 PM mmu1 QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685) Really, is Lone Star goin... Sep 12 2005, 08:33 PM Fox1 QUOTE (Kagetenshi) You're thinking police agai... Sep 12 2005, 08:35 PM blakkie QUOTE (Fox1) QUOTE (blakkie @ Sep 12 2005, 02... Sep 12 2005, 08:55 PM Grinder QUOTE (Fox1) QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Sep 12 2005,... Sep 12 2005, 09:25 PM Fox1 QUOTE (blakkie) I suppose it depends on whether yo... Sep 12 2005, 10:27 PM Fox1 QUOTE (Grinder) They're underpaid, not-so-well... Sep 12 2005, 10:32 PM hyzmarca QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Sep 12 2005, 02:42 ... Sep 12 2005, 10:49 PM blakkie QUOTE (Fox1 @ Sep 12 2005, 04:27 PM) QUOTE (b... Sep 12 2005, 11:45 PM Vaevictis QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685)Really, is Lone Star going... Sep 13 2005, 12:32 AM Fox1 QUOTE (blakkie) I sense that the novels are someth... Sep 13 2005, 01:17 AM hahnsoo The arguments about the Star here actually closely... Sep 13 2005, 02:38 AM Clyde I'd say that runners are better off surrenduri... Sep 13 2005, 02:55 AM hahnsoo QUOTE (Clyde @ Sep 12 2005, 09:55 PM) As for ... Sep 13 2005, 02:57 AM Sabosect It's not the humans I worry about as much as t... Sep 13 2005, 03:00 AM Lucifer You clearly haven't learned the value of takin... Sep 13 2005, 03:11 AM hyzmarca QUOTE (Clyde @ Sep 12 2005, 09:55 PM)Really, ... Sep 13 2005, 03:13 AM BitBasher QUOTE (Lucifer) You clearly haven't learned th... Sep 13 2005, 04:37 PM Kagetenshi Hellhounds are IIRC described as very difficult to... Sep 13 2005, 04:43 PM The Grifter Absolutely, positively, never surrender.
At the v... Sep 13 2005, 06:06 PM ShadowDragon8685 QUOTE (BitBasher) QUOTE (Lucifer @ Sep 12 200... Sep 13 2005, 07:07 PM Lucifer I was mostly kidding. I don't even consider g... Sep 13 2005, 07:25 PM Fox1 QUOTE (Lucifer) I was mostly kidding. I don't... Sep 13 2005, 07:47 PM Ryu hyzmarca: The idea of shapechangeing a random DOG ... Sep 13 2005, 08:37 PM Lucifer Maybe he just really hates his group's Face. Sep 13 2005, 08:40 PM Talia Invierno Some interesting patterns setting up here.
While ... Sep 13 2005, 09:01 PM hyzmarca QUOTE (Lucifer @ Sep 13 2005, 03:40 PM) Maybe... Sep 13 2005, 09:37 PM Talia Invierno Sorry, Ryu. Missed your question. (Thanks, hyzma... Sep 13 2005, 09:53 PM Lucifer Does being mastered by a hellhound qualify you for... Sep 13 2005, 09:59 PM Kagetenshi You should always surrender to Deus. He's just... Sep 13 2005, 10:09 PM hyzmarca QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Sep 13 2005, 05:09 PM) Yo... Sep 13 2005, 10:15 PM Talia Invierno I'd thought it was self-evident from the quote... Sep 13 2005, 10:30 PM Clyde Hi, Talia. Sorry to mistake your question before.... Sep 13 2005, 11:41 PM Talia Invierno If I made it sound like one form of playing is som... Sep 14 2005, 12:11 AM Lucifer Ah, I see. I had a player like that, once. I thi... Sep 14 2005, 12:20 AM Dawnshadow I don't know if it is challengeable in the mid... Sep 14 2005, 12:23 AM hyzmarca QUOTE (Talia Invierno @ Sep 13 2005, 07:11 PM... Sep 14 2005, 03:31 AM Mercer QUOTE (Mercer {who's pretentious enough to quo... Sep 14 2005, 03:59 AM lorthazar Wonders if everyone is taking into account the ... Sep 14 2005, 04:39 AM The Grifter QUOTE is "no surrender", at least someti... Sep 14 2005, 05:18 AM Shockwave_IIc QUOTE (Talia Invierno)I'm working off a hypoth... Sep 15 2005, 02:51 AM Talia Invierno [/wonders how a roleplaying game with no considera... Sep 15 2005, 10:59 PM coolgrafix QUOTE (Fox1 @ Sep 12 2005, 03:35 PM) QUOTE (K... Sep 16 2005, 04:56 AM Clyde I actually haven't seen "no surrender... Sep 16 2005, 05:14 AM coolgrafix Someone please stop me if I'm breaching protoc... Sep 16 2005, 05:17 AM hahnsoo QUOTE (Talia Invierno) [/wonders how a roleplaying... Sep 16 2005, 06:48 AM Mercer I would agree with hahnsoo up to a point. If I de... Sep 16 2005, 11:37 AM hahnsoo QUOTE (Mercer @ Sep 16 2005, 06:37 AM) But fo... Sep 16 2005, 11:55 AM Ed Simons QUOTE (coolgrafix)
[runner comments removed except... Sep 16 2005, 06:24 PM coolgrafix QUOTE (Ed Simons) Of course, Lone Star is radicall... Sep 16 2005, 06:55 PM coolgrafix QUOTE (Ed Simons) QUOTE (coolgrafix)Any illegal cy... Sep 16 2005, 06:57 PM hyzmarca QUOTE (coolgrafix @ Sep 16 2005, 01:57 PM) QU... Sep 16 2005, 09:45 PM coolgrafix QUOTE (hyzmarca) Any of these restraint methods ca... Sep 16 2005, 10:08 PM Crusher Bob Wahhh! I wanted to get into this thread e... Sep 18 2005, 02:29 PM hyzmarca QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Sep 18 2005, 09:29 AM) T... Sep 18 2005, 03:50 PM Mercer
That's not surrender, thats a cease fire. S... Sep 18 2005, 11:28 PM Egon Never ever let the corp, dragon, AI take you. Reme... Sep 21 2005, 09:46 PM hyzmarca One thing about surrendering in a completely hopel... Sep 21 2005, 10:48 PM Kyoto Kid QUOTE (hyzmarca)<snip>
As for Dragons, ther... Sep 22 2005, 08:38 PM Ed Simons QUOTE (coolgrafix)Routine police work for the futu... Sep 24 2005, 11:46 PM Earthwalker I would think that if a group had adopted the no s... Sep 25 2005, 09:55 AM Wounded Ronin I don't understand what's wrong or unbalan... Jan 20 2006, 04:19 AM Wounded Ronin QUOTE (hyzmarca)
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