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Adarael
post Jan 23 2011, 05:42 AM
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This isn't Wikipedia. Trust me, DSE knows his shit.

But if you want a citation, Virtual Realities 2.0, Renraku Arcology Shutdown, Brainscan, and System Failure should all do nicely.

Edit: Also, Matrix, and Target: Matrix.
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post Jan 23 2011, 07:07 AM
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Minding that those same books have been quoted up there in the thread to prove exactly the opposite, ehhhhhh...
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post Jan 23 2011, 01:52 PM
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Not everyone knows me, but I wrote the otaku chapter in Matrix. I also wrote all of the Deus sections of System Failure and a chunk of Brainscan (which was a book I pitched to FASA). I also wrote pieces of Target: Matrix. Otaku were a very big hobby of mine during my SR3 writing. Demonseed Elite is even the name of my otaku character I played on Shadowland.org (the website created by Dave Hyatt, one of the two guys behind Renraku Arcology: Shutdown).

I caution anyone about using the novels to define canon. The novels don't always play well with the sourcebooks. Not only on the topic of otaku, but in general. That's been a point of contention with canon-watchers as long as I've been following Shadowrun. The novels generally aren't checked as closely for canon, because the authors are given a lot of leeway to write their story. Novels aren't written in the same collaborative pool as the sourcebooks are. I know first-hand that on the topic of otaku, we (the sourcebook writers) tried to support the material in Psychotrope and Technobabel while simultaneously "course-correcting" to make it fit what the game writers wanted to do with otaku.
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post Jan 23 2011, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE (hermit @ Jan 22 2011, 09:16 PM) *
Never said the fleshforms shouldn't be (and I'm not interested enough in BT for this reference - what's the gist?).

Which is why I linked the wiki entry (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Jan 23 2011, 02:45 PM
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Sentient chicken .... and the usual fascist people breeding fantasies that always put me off BT. Weird storyline, but that's the norm in BT. But sentient chicken ...
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post Jan 24 2011, 01:08 PM
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QUOTE (hermit @ Jan 23 2011, 03:45 PM) *
Sentient chicken .... and the usual fascist people breeding fantasies that always put me off BT. Weird storyline, but that's the norm in BT. But sentient chicken ...

Well, the point is that something which is totally violates canon, namely sentient alien life (and yes, this has been stated by the devs), still appears in a source which is technically part of the canon. So even if a canon SR novel explicitly said "Hi, my name is Psychotrope and I'm the Deep Resonance", that would not neccessarily make it a fact.
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post Jan 24 2011, 02:54 PM
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Point takenb, though, since this is a part of a nibbed-in-the-bud plotline that was canceled - apparently - because of the no ysentient aliens dogma, it's slightly different from the Shadowrun AI plotline that was never discontinued or shoved to the side.
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post Jan 24 2011, 03:08 PM
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QUOTE (Demonseed Elite @ Jan 23 2011, 04:52 PM) *
Not everyone knows me, but I wrote the otaku chapter in Matrix. I also wrote all of the Deus sections of System Failure and a chunk of Brainscan (which was a book I pitched to FASA). I also wrote pieces of Target: Matrix. Otaku were a very big hobby of mine during my SR3 writing. Demonseed Elite is even the name of my otaku character I played on Shadowland.org (the website created by Dave Hyatt, one of the two guys behind Renraku Arcology: Shutdown).

Oh, I see. I beg your pardon, guess your statements are to be believed after all :3

So. You are to blame for all that... uhhh... let's just say "peculiarity"... that is otaku and the whole otaku-technomancer plot? Thank you, thank you, I can truly not thank you enough - they are such beautiful unique snowflakes, the setting is infinitely better with them!
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post Jan 24 2011, 11:21 PM
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QUOTE (Fatum @ Jan 24 2011, 10:08 AM) *
So. You are to blame for all that... uhhh... let's just say "peculiarity"... that is otaku and the whole otaku-technomancer plot? Thank you, thank you, I can truly not thank you enough - they are such beautiful unique snowflakes, the setting is infinitely better with them!


I'm not sure if that's sarcasm or not, but to be accurate, the otaku originated long before I was writing for Shadowrun. But I was involved in the Deus plotline (which was started by Dave Hyatt and Brian Schoner, two fantastic writers who I knew from shadowland.org) and I did a lot of work on otaku in SR3.

Overall, I'm very happy with the Deus plotline. It wasn't perfect and some inconsistencies were outside our control, but I really enjoyed working on it. Even though I worked on the rules for otaku player characters, I always personally felt they made better NPC plot devices and introducing them as player characters started a slippery slope of balance issues that continues to this day in technomancers (which I argued against including in Shadowrun 4E, but was soundly overruled on).
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post Jan 25 2011, 11:28 AM
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The Deus storyline in itself is okay, though Brainscan is an adventure nobody will ever get out of alive if played by the book.

You were very right about Otaku PC, though.
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