CGL Speculation #5, It continues Options

[Delta]

I've been playing SR since the early days of 2nd Edition and Seattle 2072 is the first Seattle book I bought. Why? Being German I've played almost exclusively in the AGS setting.

Well not all germans like the AGS setting (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) But other than this, I have to agree. I've heard a lot of good things about Seattle 2072 and, owning all three other SR books concerning Seattle, I haven't been disappointed. Sure, there's a lot stuff that's already been in Runner Havens, but I think that was to be expected, the other alternative would be for the whole city to change completely overnight, and I don't really think I'd like this option.

It's my impression that there was a whole lot more from the old Seattle Sourcebook that went right into New Seattle, and still, New Seattle was a decent book in my opinion.

[-Nyx-]

It is out already? Hrm. I might want to get it since my old FanPro book is degrading rapidly.

Also, it is hardbound, and thus, durable. It stands out between all the Pegasus books, but it is pretty in it's own right.

Aye, it should be available... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[Delta]

As I bought it in my FLGS two weeks ago it should most definitely be out, yes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[hermit]

Hrm. I should drop by my flgs tomorrow then.

[ketjak]

Thread Recap: [snip] For our set piece on the Problem of Induction, we will be discussing Ketjak's (one of the owners of IMR/ Catalyst) discussion of the rate of draws from the IMR accounts by Loren Coleman, and discussing whether they correspond to a pattern of embezzlement, or merely a series of random embezzlements whose seemingly regular time frame were generated by chance alone.

-Frank

I have had to spend time with my primary income generator so I'm behind a bit having just read this post on Page 5.1. Anything interesting happen in Thread #4 I should revisit before I consider how to address this?

While I am under no NDA, it isn't clear if I want to wade in at that depth. Anyone who has the graphs I made can PM me to confirm whether or not those are the graphs and, assuming no applicable NDA or legal obligation, can do with them as they wish. Of course, this may already have been done in the following 16 pages of Thread #5, and I explicitly post in ignorance on this point and you have my apologies.

I also have permission to re-post Tiger Eyes' letter she wrote to me, after she became aware that I (alone among the members, it seems) was interested in hearing why David Stansel-Garner, Jennifer, and Adam Jury each resigned. My experience with DSG is that he's upstanding and honest in his dealings, and his resignation (as announced by Randall) was a matter of some curiosity. To hear that the person he had worked closely with in this investigation (Jennifer) had resigned as well made me think the version of events that Randall and Loren were pitching was probably just their side. Later (about 18 hours later, actually), documents released by IMR made it clear that Randall and Loren's version was, at best, a gentle re-telling of the actual events.

The graphs are just visual representations of a long spreadsheet detailing all of the "draws" (still using that term, since that's what it was billed as by IMR) IMR claims were made by Loren L. Coleman. There were 15 positive contributions in there as well, but the net was overwhelmingly negative (in terms of draws vs. "deposits"). I could already picture the draws this way, but to see it made me feel a bit angry and quite disgusted. Understandable, I think, although I remain amazed at how little anger many of the the other members expressed and especially at their continued support of the Colemans and Randall N. Bills.

I'm not angry any more, just disappointed and a little sad.

-Ket

[Ancient History]

Hell, I'd like to see this letter and these graphs.

[Patrick Goodman]

My personal take on this is, while Jennifer's given permission to publish the letter, have David and Adam given permission to disclose their reasons for leaving? That would be my personal sticking point to publishing the letter until such time as those two gentlemen give their permission to discuss their reasoning. Just because Jennifer's given her permission to publish the letter doesn't mean that she has permission to disseminate correspondence given in confidence.

But in general, yeah, I'd like to see this stuff, too.

[Tiger Eyes]

My personal take on this is, while Jennifer's given permission to publish the letter, have David and Adam given permission to disclose their reasons for leaving? That would be my personal sticking point to publishing the letter until such time as those two gentlemen give their permission to discuss their reasoning. Just because Jennifer's given her permission to publish the letter doesn't mean that she has permission to disseminate correspondence given in confidence.

But in general, yeah, I'd like to see this stuff, too.

My letter does not reference Adam or David's reasons for leaving, only my own.

[augmentin]

@ketjack: Whatever happens to the license, I sincerely hope that you are still affiliated with the Shadowrun franchise.

[Demonseed Elite]

I also have permission to re-post Tiger Eyes' letter she wrote to me, after she became aware that I (alone among the members, it seems) was interested in hearing why David Stansel-Garner, Jennifer, and Adam Jury each resigned.

This is part of what continues to shock and frustrate me about Catalyst. The owners and management seem so entirely detached from the operation of the company, especially when it comes to things like the relationship with freelancers (and apparently the relationship with full-time staff!). Back in 2008, not only were e-mails I sent up the chain ignored by management, but e-mails sent by the line developer on my behalf were simply not responded to. We're not even talking a large company where things could get lost in bureaucracy, which leads me to believe it's mostly a matter of people who should care, simply not caring.

When three full-time staff members resign and when multiple freelancers have reached a point of such frustration that they voice it on public forums, all of the members should be interested, not just ketjak.

[Patrick Goodman]

My letter does not reference Adam or David's reasons for leaving, only my own.

Well, that addresses my concerns right there. Thanks for chiming in so quickly.

[Stahlseele]

Hell, I'd like to see this letter and these graphs.

me too. i am not good with numbers, but pictures i can understand most of the time.

[ketjak]

(snip)I also have permission to re-post Tiger Eyes' letter she wrote to me, after she became aware that I (alone among the members, it seems) (snip)

Oops - I just remembered this is a lie. How dare I?!?

I just remembered that, not counting David, one other member (owner) sought out information related to this from at least some of the people who were let go. I will leave it to him to share details, including who he is, but I was not alone, per se.

Also, I will not send the graphs to people who request them via PM (or any other means). Nice try, though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

- Ket

[Stahlseele]

*shrugs* can't blame a paranoid runner for trying ^^

[tweak]

Is this for real?

http://forum.rpg.net/showpost.php?p=120079...p;postcount=199

Or is this life imitating art?

[Stahlseele]

Nobody knows, i did not even get a Link to the Graphs.

[tweak]

Nobody knows, i did not even get a Link to the Graphs.

I'm waiting for Shadowrun adventure to come out based on all this info. If one doesn't come out, I'm tempted to write one.

[Stahlseele]

If those are real, Frank was pretty close neh?

[tweak]

If those are real, Frank was pretty close neh?

I'm gonna shake my new SR purchases to see if any money falls out. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Stahlseele]

And if there really was additional money that's now missing from undeclared income made at conventions and the such, then that's income that did not get declared to the bean counter and thus not to ir IRS and might thus be tax evasion, right?

[augmentin]

Bold statements from a bold man. Can anyone verify the validity of these new allegations? Obviously, ketjack can, but he's already stated he won't do so publicly for, I think, obvious reasons.

[tweak]

And if there really was additional money that's now missing from undeclared income made at conventions and the such, then that's income that did not get declared to the bean counter and thus not to ir IRS and might thus be tax evasion, right?

Let's not speculate. Seriously, we should just write up a Shadowrun adventure on this thingy. Who would the Mr. Johnson be?

[Dr.Rockso]

Let's not speculate. Seriously, we should just write up a Shadowrun adventure on this thingy. Who would the Mr. Johnson be?

This is the wrong thread for not speculating, chummer

[Stahlseele]

Let's not speculate. Seriously, we should just write up a Shadowrun adventure on this thingy. Who would the Mr. Johnson be?

Speculations IS IN THE THREAD TITLE!
Also, Mr.Johnson would be Topps i guess. And his Face to the Info Sharks would be Frank Trollman?

[emouse]

If those are real, Frank was pretty close neh?

(Quick edit to pare down to the core question of my post)

Does the graph include what would have been considered his salary or take as an owner, or is this purely funds above his agreed share?

Clearly, in mid-2008 the chart takes a left turn, but we don't know what's supposed to be normal. He he hadn't taken funds he shouldn't have would he have taken in $200,000? $400,000? Is the $309,000 in cash withdrawals the only missing amount?