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stevebugge
post Jun 21 2006, 09:42 PM
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QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Jun 21 2006, 12:44 PM)
QUOTE (James McMurray @ Jun 21 2006, 03:30 PM)
The definition of predator that you disagree with isn't the modern definition, it's the ancient latin definition.

No, actually, it isn't—"praedator" has a very specific meaning, "one who pillages". As a result, the usage as "one who takes goods by force" is historic—the usage for any other variety of criminal, whether they be in for rape, murder, or just plain 'ol revenge beatings, is not.

As for "hacker", I object to the misuse of it for "computer-related criminal".

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Even more off topic than this thread already is......

There are some funny "predator" jokes at http://www.alienlovespredator.com
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post Jun 21 2006, 09:46 PM
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Nice comparison hyz, but not really appropriate, since hacker can equate to criminal but murderer doesn't equate to human. :)
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post Jun 21 2006, 10:12 PM
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Could you point out which real jurisdictions have convicted nonhumans for the crime of murder? :D

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There are some funny "predator" jokes at http://www.alienlovespredator.com


Great. Now well have a debate over the use of the words Predator and Yautja

'Predator' is a derogatory racial epithet.

The name 'Yautja' doesn't appear in any of the movies.

The comics are canon.

Are Not.

Are too unless the movies contradict them.
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post Jun 21 2006, 10:51 PM
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Mind if I ask what kind?

3rd Gen Glock 23 (their .40 S&W compact) with Tritium sights. I'm pretty happy with the piece straight out of the box, so the sights are the only aftermarket mods.
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James McMurray
post Jun 21 2006, 11:14 PM
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QUOTE (hyzmarca)
Could you point out which real jurisdictions have convicted nonhumans for the crime of murder? :D

No need. The actual definition nowhere mentions humans as the only possible perpetrators. That it has yet to be applied to aliens, androids, or superintelligent dogmen only means those situations have not come up yet.

The man named James McMurray who lives at my address and has my social security number has never been convicted of murder. Lack of prior examples does not preclude future occurrences.

I'm sure that as soon as alien murder does come up there will be all sorts of controversy surrounding it (primarily to distract the populace from real problems). :)
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post Jun 22 2006, 01:47 AM
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I think in the middle of this stastic soup, there is only one thing I can be sure of.

I have a much higher chance of placing my fate in my own hands if I have the means to effectively defend myself than if not. And that's enough for me. It's better to bring a gun to a gunfigth than to bring pacifism to a gunfight.
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James McMurray
post Jun 22 2006, 01:56 AM
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Not if the other guy in the gunfight outclasses you, but won't draw first because he wants to keep things legal and avoid jail or the gallows.
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post Jun 22 2006, 02:30 AM
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If he's robbing me, chances are he dosen't care about the legality of the situation.

And the stastics all strongly disagree on his ability to outclass me, since it seems likely the only range time he gets is when he's in the middle of shooting at someone who's resisting.


And anyway, dieing in a gunfight with a criminal who was going to take your life anyway is better than a dog's death.
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James McMurray
post Jun 22 2006, 02:35 AM
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I'm not talking about being robbed. I'm talking about a gunfight, old west style. I prbably should have put a smiley in there.
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post Jun 22 2006, 03:24 AM
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Well, that's easy then.

Don't get into a wild-west style confrontation. :)
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post Jun 22 2006, 03:34 AM
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QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Jun 21 2006, 09:30 PM)
If he's robbing me, chances are he dosen't care about the legality of the situation.

Not to speak for the rationality of petty criminals, but it is indeed quite possible to care about the legalities of the situation whilst robbing someone—aggravated assault and the chain above it (aggravated battery, mayhem, attempted murder) generally result in significantly harsher sentencing than simple assault and simple battery, even when robbery is involved.

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post Jun 22 2006, 03:47 AM
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Most laws are written to be as all encompassing as possible. Many contracts are written to be applicable throughout this universe and all others. That's right, all other universe. Lawyers wouldn't bat an eye at using their wiles against aliens, intelligent superdogs, or stupid slightly less than above average molluskmen. Executors of the estates of wealthy cats have been sued.
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post Jun 22 2006, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE (Shrike30)
QUOTE (Eddie Furious @ Jun 21 2006, 12:34 PM)
Mind if I ask what kind?

3rd Gen Glock 23 (their .40 S&W compact) with Tritium sights. I'm pretty happy with the piece straight out of the box, so the sights are the only aftermarket mods.

Not too shabby. I notice you didn't mention compensators in the type or description, you would like your nightvision intact during a low light confrontation, I take it? ;)

How are the tritium sights working out? Used them in any "after dark" practice yet?
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post Jun 22 2006, 05:06 PM
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I considered a -C for a while, but decided that .40 + short barrel + venting was going to make far too much of a fireball on the top of the gun. The G23 has some flip to it, but it's pretty manageable.

Haven't had an opportunity to try the sights out in low/no light yet, beyond "turn off the lights and do sight picture practice" (for which they absolutely rock... try it out if you ever get the chance, it'll make you wonder why they don't come standard on guns). For obvious reasons, most ranges prefer you to keep the lights on. There's a course offered through a local institution that does night firing in addition to a number of other situations that I'm planning on taking when I have the time.
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post Jun 22 2006, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685)
Well, that's easy then.

Don't get into a wild-west style confrontation. :)

Most wild-west style confrontations were backshots (unless you are strictly talking movies here)
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post Jun 22 2006, 06:37 PM
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Yeah, just movies. Few (if any) gunfights involved people standing at 10 paces and the faster guy drawing after the slower guy starts.
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post Jun 22 2006, 07:36 PM
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"If he shot him in the eye, he was excercizing good marksmanship. If he shot 'em in the back of the head, he was excercizing good judgement."
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post Jun 23 2006, 05:21 AM
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QUOTE (Shrike30 @ Jun 22 2006, 12:06 PM)
I considered a -C for a while, but decided that .40 + short barrel + venting was going to make far too much of a fireball on the top of the gun.  The G23 has some flip to it, but it's pretty manageable.

Haven't had an opportunity to try the sights out in low/no light yet, beyond "turn off the lights and do sight picture practice" (for which they absolutely rock... try it out if you ever get the chance, it'll make you wonder why they don't come standard on guns).  For obvious reasons, most ranges prefer you to keep the lights on.  There's a course offered through a local institution that does night firing in addition to a number of other situations that I'm planning on taking when I have the time.

I would really recommend it. The difference is vast and is really an eye-opener. I am thinking of picking up an M1911-type, possibly a Sig GSR Nitron Carry or a Wilson Combat Professional.

Night sites make all the difference in the dark, don't they?
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post Jun 23 2006, 09:51 AM
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Being able to use your sights AT ALL in the dark makes a huge difference :P

While I like the 1911 as a range piece, the thought of carrying one as a defensive piece is a little iffy with me. The basic design is about a century old, and frankly, we've made advancements since then. You can get fine-tuned 1911s that are as reliable as something like a Glock or a well-maintained H&K is out of the box, but that extra work that's required to do that was always a bit of a turn-off for me. So much of shooting is personal, though... if you can shoot well with it and it's tuned to the point of rock-solid reliability, it's probably the ideal piece.

What're carry laws like in Calgary? I was under the impression it got difficult north of the border...
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post Jun 23 2006, 11:12 AM
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QUOTE (James McMurray)
Nice comparison hyz, but not really appropriate, since hacker can equate to criminal but murderer doesn't equate to human. :)

You may be mistaken. He obviously used the latin definition of "hacker", "haeckerus", meaning "drop bear"
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post Jun 23 2006, 01:22 PM
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QUOTE (Shrike30 @ Jun 23 2006, 04:51 AM)
What're carry laws like in Calgary?  I was under the impression it got difficult north of the border...

Extremely difficult. For general public, after a background check, you can keep them at your residence. Transporting them to-from designated shooting ranges must be made by most direct, reasonable route (where you can also store them). I believe you have to notify of the transport too in some way, but I've never owned one so I'm a bit fuzzy on that. At home they must be locked in a safe of some sort when unattended. Unrestricted longarms (sporting shotguns, rifles) just need to have a trigger lock when unattended.

Generally it involves a career change to be able to carry around a handgun in daily activities.
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post Jun 23 2006, 01:23 PM
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Drop bear can equate to criminal, especially if that drop bear commits murder. ;)
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post Jun 23 2006, 04:05 PM
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But no criminal court in the world asserts jurisdiction over drop bears. If no court will try them then they cannot be criminals.
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post Jun 23 2006, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE (hyzmarca)
But no criminal court in the world asserts jurisdiction over drop bears. If no court will try them then they cannot be criminals.

Drop bears can be taken to court. They just have to be taken to a high court.

(hahaha!)
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post Jun 23 2006, 05:40 PM
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QUOTE (nezumi)
QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Jun 23 2006, 11:05 AM)
But no criminal court in the world asserts jurisdiction over drop bears. If no court will try them then they cannot be criminals.

Drop bears can be taken to court. They just have to be taken to a high court.

(hahaha!)

And I wouldn't recommend standing below that court.
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