 Knife Amnesty in UK, Some stuff they turned in |
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 Jun 23 2006, 05:41 PM
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Running Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ontari-airee-o Member No.: 1,115  |
Drop bears are judged and executed by this man . If you have a drop bear problem, he can fix it.
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Jun 23 2006, 08:33 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
That's pretty harsh. For all of my mixed opinions about living with the government I've got, I guess this is one thing I should be happy with. |
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Jun 23 2006, 09:17 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Its only illegal if you get caught and you'll only get caught if they find evidence linking you to the body of the police officer who really shouldn't have pulled you over.
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Jun 23 2006, 09:31 PM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
That's your inner Shadowrunner talking. Try not to get too caught up in Method Acting when there's real Police. Remember, they're not the corrupt 'Star, they're honest guys and gals trying to enforce peace and order. Unless it's an asshole named Tenpenny. In which case, open fire. |
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Jun 23 2006, 11:03 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
How many drop bears have you tried to bring up on charges? |
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Jun 24 2006, 01:41 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,635 Joined: 27-November 05 Member No.: 8,006 |
I don't really personally have a problem with it for a few reasons: 1) firearms of a minimum length, generally 26" overall and 18" barrels, are fairly easy to be aproved for, requiring only a $60 for 5 year certificate for the owner and, as of recently, free registration of the weapons; the $60 fee is also waived for people that can demonstrate a need for work which is leanent enough I could even get it if I felt like it and I haven't owned a gun in many years 2) society fulfills it's side of the "deal" by being safe enough that I feel no real need or even desire to carry a handgun; maybe only criminals, and the police, are carrying around handguns but the few that are and the rare times they are used it is usually against other criminals and occationally the police 3) people are stupid, and i'm more than happy to see the vast majority of them without firearms :) For more legal info here a site you can check out. http://panda.com/canadaguns/ |
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Jun 24 2006, 03:41 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
You see, this is why the whole US/Canada merger may not be a bad idea. With luck we can get permissive gun laws and socialized health care. Of course, that could end up with highly restrictive gun laws and health care so expensive that people sell their kidney's to back-alley chop-shops in exchange for gout medicine; that would be bad.
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Jun 24 2006, 04:12 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,635 Joined: 27-November 05 Member No.: 8,006 |
I really can't see that being a spectacularly good combination either. I'll end up paying for patching up a bunch of gunshot wounds? :P Not that that doesn't sometimes happen in the US and here already. :( Incidentally a lot of the stuff at the start of that web page I find a bit dubious in it's presentation and intepretaton of "fact", and it doesn't help explain some things that at first leave you really scratching your head as to how exactly a particular situation could be arrived at. Understandable since he likely lacks some of the required background. I just linked the page for it's quick summary of firearms laws from the perspective of what is different from the US. |
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Jun 24 2006, 05:04 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Actually, according to statistics posted earlier that isn't true. Guns are far less dangerous than generic blunt objects, apparently. Now that I think about it I can't help but wonder how he keeps running into Customs anways. The US/Canadian boarder is huge. It should be realitivly easy to avoid them. |
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Jun 24 2006, 05:32 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
That's not only bullshit, it's doubly bullshit when you're talking traffic cops. ~J |
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Jun 24 2006, 05:44 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
We;;, according to these doctors the most dangerous activites in America are to 'stand on the corner and mind your own business' followed closely by 'sit on the porch and read the bible'.
Should you find yourself considering either of these two courses of action, go and do something safer, like play in traffic. |
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Jun 24 2006, 07:58 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Nothing like a little prejudice to get the day started, eh Kage? |
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Jun 24 2006, 10:21 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,635 Joined: 27-November 05 Member No.: 8,006 |
I'm going to pass on heading into that whole quagmire, thanks. :)
He lives on the west side of the continent. Over here you generally have to go seriously offroad/on foot, to avoid the manned border crossings. Some of the crossings aren't, or at least some time back weren't, manned 24 hours/day and you are just expected drive to the nearest law enforcement office across the border and report in. That may no longer be the case, that's going back a number of years now. In the BC interior, which would mean crossing into either Idaho or eastern Washington, I think it was last year a guy got busted for pot smuggling who had apparently been making runs for some time using a snowmoblie. So the huge gapping holes in the border are there, you just can't really do it on roads, pretty much need to know the area, and if you keep doing it you'll eventually get caught. When you get to Ontario and east you get into a lot more unmanned crossings, though they do have video cameras up roadside that could theoretically see you coming across. Once again I don't know exactly what the state of this is over the last 5 years. I do know that there are still people that live in one country but to leave their property to get anywhere on roads have to cross the boarder to the other country, and of course usually then come back to do whatever it is their trip was for. It is sort of an issue because, as you might guess, these roads usually didn't have a manned crossing facility set up because they see little-to-no traffic otherwise. |
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Jun 24 2006, 11:52 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Yep, like the prejudice of assuming that everyone in a certain line of work is a saint. As for traffic cops, no prejudice there: their job is quite clear, to generate revenue for the city. Fines are one of the worst practices in the history of law enforcement. ~J |
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Jun 24 2006, 05:28 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Yep. His error doesn't forgive or even explain yours.
Sez you. I like having a well funded police force, even if it means my lead foot costs me some money every now and then. Obviously you're free to disagree (which I'm sure you will, albeit not as longwindedly as most here, since your rebuttals are generally short and to the point ;) ). |
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Jun 24 2006, 05:50 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,479 Joined: 6-May 05 From: Idaho Member No.: 7,377 |
Peoples opinions on Police forces are always awesome. I used to be a Deputy until about a year or so ago. I remember right when I first got the gig I suddenly started to realize that all the action movies/shows I watch had dudes dressed up like me getting their asses shot all the time. Freaked me out to see it from a new perspective, and when I run Shadowrun I have a hard time having cops be bullet fodder.
In real life, people seem to always complain about cops being corrupt, or unprofessional and generally don't like them. But on primetime tv, crime dramas reign supreme, and they are almost always full of cops who break the rules, or are unproffesional, I've never understood that. I also used to get complaints from people that there were too many police units around, that the local government was wasting its money on them. The same people seemed to be the ones who complained that they had to wait five minutes for a police response for their accident/critical incedent when they lived on the other side of the county. So pretty much, people are wacky. I personally dislike people having authority over me, and I can see where a lot of folks are coming from. A lot of cops become cynical and hard to deal with, and thats really why I quit the gig, I got tired of fighting with all the Egos. But it's not right to judge a persons character because of their job. |
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Jun 24 2006, 05:56 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,635 Joined: 27-November 05 Member No.: 8,006 |
The Calgary police chief went on a political headhunt when city council made a change to the police budget that included a specificied increase in traffic tickets with a roughly corrosponding decrease in money coming from the city's general coffers. It was more than an understatement to say he was miffed that traffic violations tickets were blatantly being seen as a revenue source, and that the number of tickets were fiscal . Even though some council members tried to sell it as an "increase to roadway safety" issue.
I believe it was actually changed. Which didn't even really matter because the police chief had already said he was going to ignore the ticket increase mandadated by, effectively, his bosses and just do something else to make the budget work out. So I think, at least here, we are at least a little bit short of financial budget over safety as the primary motivation. |
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Jun 24 2006, 06:04 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Not all cops are corrupt and not all cops are honest. It's like every other profession under the sun. People are different, no matter what job they're in. It wouldn't surprise me if police forces had more fringe individuals though. In other words more idealistic do gooders and opportunistic corrupt people than a lot of other professions, simply because fo the nature of the job in having power over others.
Recently Dallas had a bunch of firings for cops that were abusing their power. One instance was a cop who got into an off duty altercation with someone at a bar and then arrested the guy the next day for trumped up charges. Unfortunately for him (but not for us) the guy he arrested had a mom or a girlfriend that worked for the city and sent the story up the chain. Haha on him. :) |
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Jun 24 2006, 06:58 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
The problem there is that relying on tickets for funding means that officers can't rely on people to speed. They have to make stuff up to fulfill their quotas. Most people won't contest a ticket even if it is completely flase because they don't feel that it is worth the hassle.
There are two types of corrupt. There is good corrupt and there is bad corrupt. Bad corrupt cops shake down people for protection money and execute civil rights workers. Good corrupt cops break the rules to protect the 'good guys' from dangerous violent thugs and South African dipolomats who place bombs under toilet seats. They look the other way when otherwise good people break the law for protection or revenge and they always win in the end. Unfortuantly, good corrupt cops are rather rare in the real world. |
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Jun 24 2006, 07:38 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Maybe it's just me, but I see hundreds of people breaking various traffic laws every week just going back and forth from home to work (including myself). Add in other trips and the number probably doubles. I'm not saying that making up offences isn't done, but I don't think it's done out of necessity. More likely IMO is that it's being done by cops that are too lazy to do the work of waiting around for real offenders. If you're supposed to give 8 tickets that day and you give 3 real and 7 fake in the first hour of the day you can goof off the rest of the day, while still looking like you've done more than your fair share. Of course, then you get into the issue of whether quotas are good or not, but that's a whole nuther ball of wax.
Corruption (the bad kind to use hyz's differentiation) is fun and exciting. Watching some punk get smacked around by Sipowitz to get a confession is entertaining. Watching Vic Macke use his influence and street intel to rob an Armenian money laundering operation, or hold a child rapist's face to a stove burner is an amusing way to spend an hour on a Tuesday evening. Getting hassled by a butthead cop who gives you a ticket for something you didn't do is neither fun nor entertaining. There are a lot of things that sell big on TV and in moveies that we don't actually want happening in our normal lives. Huge numbers of people went to see Saving Private Ryan. I'm pretty sure a microscopic portion of those would actually want to take part in the horror that was the real life storming of the beaches. |
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Jun 24 2006, 10:01 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
Thanks for the site link, Brahm, that's useful information.
My sister's an MD at San Fran General. Reportedly, one of the things you'll see listed on a patient's medical history goes something like this: "Patient was sitting in expensive car in bad neighborhood MMOB when an unidentified man shot him in the abdomen, then ran away. Blood tests positive for drug usage." Minding My Own Business has actually become an abbreviation, it's used so frequently. Nothing like cruising for drugs and getting shot by your dealer. She also reports that the bus drivers in San Fran are bad enough that she'll see HBMB (Hit By Muni Bus) on histories every once in a while. |
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Jun 25 2006, 05:05 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 120 Joined: 3-May 04 Member No.: 6,298 |
Part of the problem with this is that a lot of these go away when people see a police car. Speeding takes place over a significant period of time and happens along long stretches of road. It's fairly easy to sit somewhere out of sight and wait for someone to drive by over the speed limit. It's harder to catch someone failing to signal and such. Now, the traffic law I'd like to see enforced more aggressively, particularly because it's a safety issue in the same way speeding is, is failure to put on headlights in the rain, when wipers are necessary. This is illegal in a number of states, include the one in which I live, and people who don't put on their lights can be a real hazard as they are much harder to see. |
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Jun 25 2006, 05:13 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,213 Joined: 10-March 02 From: Back from the abyss. Member No.: 2,316 |
Id preferre they out law using cell phones in moving vehicles. For almost 10 years driving has been a large portion of my career. I cant count anymore the amount of times I have almost been run into by people on cell phones, or almost running into someone because of their erradic driving behavior because they are on the phone.
If its raining so hard I cant see a car on the road without its head lights on, maybe I should pull over because pedestrians dont have headlights, nether do storm created obstructions such as fallen trees or lawn furniture. |
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Jun 25 2006, 05:24 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,635 Joined: 27-November 05 Member No.: 8,006 |
Trees don't move, not even fallen ones. It is about noticing the other vehicles quickly and easily, and headlights are a huge factor in that. That is why motorcycle headlights are always full on, and have been this way for decades. Not noticing a motorcycle is a huge part of avoiding running into them, and they found that headlights greatly reduced the problem of motorcycles magically coming out of "nowhere". |
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Jun 25 2006, 05:37 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,213 Joined: 10-March 02 From: Back from the abyss. Member No.: 2,316 |
Eh, they say the same for cars, thats why a lot of newer vehicles and most fleet owned vehicles have full time headlights. And I believe a lot of car insurance companies give discounts on insurance premiums as a added saftey feature if you have them. I just find it silly that rain has a magical factor in the situation. I have only been in one rain storm in the 13 years I have been driving that I couldnt see, so I pulled over. The headlights only reflected back and made it worse like it does in fog. I mean a light misting is enough to turn your windshield wipers on, so I should have my headlights on? The rain being kicked up by the tires of traffic after the storm are enough to cause you to turn your wipers on, so I should have my headlights on?
Sorry, im just in a arguementitive mood right now. :) |
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