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Samaels Ghost
post Aug 4 2006, 11:59 PM
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From the Dodger thread:

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[JackBNimble is] a message from another world'! Which, IMO, is the Fourth (EDIT: or Second) World. That might not make much sense unless you're open to the idea that the Matrix is not exactly the first network of its kind and that maybe it's been resonating with something conceptually similar and far far older.


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The Orissa Network is a "matrix" (for lack of a better term) of Yortlinga (sp?)-big magical monoliths-in India, these Yortlinga somehow "focus" magic from the nearby manalines into a "web of magic" that then send this big, big "manaline" into a position somewhere above India at an altitude beyond which a magician can project. (Sorry for the half-assed explanation, ask Synner for a better one, he wrote it IIRC)

There are all sorts of theories regarding the use/function of this thing but one says it is some osrt of Akashic record i.e. some sort of "mental record" of past memories/etc.



WHAT IF the Orissa network or some other magical matrix like the Dragonlines and leylines are older, magical versions of our beloved information highway. It would explain the mention of Dragonlines in Runner Havens.

WHAT IF the Deep Resonance and other otaku phenomenon are a direct result of such magical matricies?

WHAT IF the reason that otaku are now Duracell tough for the rest of their lives is because the wireless Matrix has changed something fundemental about the Matrix other than just it's structure? Technomancers are a result of a stronger bond between the Matrix and the Deep Resonance.

WHAT IF the old matriticies of magic are interacting with the expansive wireless networks to such an extent that the Magical and Matrix worlds have bled together? Radio waves are resonating with leylines and such.

AGH! I think my brain just exploded! :dead:
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post Aug 5 2006, 12:07 AM
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post Aug 5 2006, 12:12 AM
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Hate....Engine? super sweet!
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post Aug 5 2006, 12:13 AM
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This would totally open up the SR world for Ghostbusters. You could trap spirits a matrix node made from circa 1980 materials.
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post Aug 5 2006, 12:13 AM
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The difference between the approach to Singularity and awakening magical power is pretty small. When you add such things as the Resonance and possibly the Dissonance (if it continues to be a presence in the setting beyond the Crash 2.0), which might be described as spiritual forces within the Machine, it gets even more freaky.

Ever since SR4 came out, I've been entertaining the odd thought that the Matrix is starting to become a metaplane.
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post Aug 5 2006, 12:18 AM
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QUOTE (Conskill @ Aug 4 2006, 07:13 PM)

Ever since SR4 came out, I've been entertaining the odd thought that the Matrix is starting to become a metaplane.

They've been hinting at that since Virtual Realities 2.0 with Halrequin's conversation with "Ambrose". Although, one could also say that such ideas and conversations are pretty traditional indentity/reality quandries.
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post Aug 5 2006, 12:22 AM
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QUOTE (pg 70 @ Shadows of Asia)
On the surface, it is still very much the
same: dry grasslands and deserts on the northern plateau, vast lakes and
agricultural land along the Yarlong Tsangpo River in the south, and
lush, primeval canyon forests to the east. Our wujen, however,
pointed out that massive change has taken place in the astral
plane. He says that complex astral objects stretch across Tibet
and appear to be concentrated around Mount Kailash. The only
references we’ve found to this construction are cryptic mentionings
of the “great mandala of Tibet.”

> A mandala is a ritual circle constructed of colored sand in a
complex design. It represents the universe and the person’s
place in it. Any guesses as to why they would be building a
giant astral ritual circle in Tibet?
> Xiao Renwu

> I don’t think I want to know.
> TomTom

> MagickNet has been hopping with reports of increased magical
phenomenan along the paths of Asia’s major rivers. I don’t
know if there’s any connection, but nearly all those rivers have
their sources on the Tibetan plateau.
> Ang


Not that I'm implying anything, I just like to encourage the conversation. :D
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post Aug 5 2006, 12:24 AM
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post Aug 5 2006, 12:33 AM
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Quiet you two, the natives are restless enough. ;)
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post Aug 5 2006, 01:22 AM
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QUOTE (Demonseed Elite)
Not that I'm implying anything, I just like to encourage the conversation. :D

Yeah, right. We all know what you think about the Otaku.
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post Aug 5 2006, 01:32 AM
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post Aug 5 2006, 01:36 AM
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"We" being "those of us who remember him playing on Shadowland."

And... No.
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post Aug 5 2006, 01:39 AM
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post Aug 5 2006, 01:54 AM
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I really like the idea of magic seeping into the Matrix. Perhaps we could use some Life Gems?
It also opens the way for mana being manipulated through the matrix or in the matrix. The latter is probably already happening with Technos. It would make some sense. That would explain why the AI's could awake people as otaku and why Essence has an effect on Resonace (other than making all rules mechanics similar).

If anyone should be on the forefront of Matrix Magic then I think the Tibetan monks would be a great choice. Maybe they're the Idols? Wasn't there something funky going down in that area like a never ending storm?
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post Aug 5 2006, 01:54 AM
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Many moons ago, James McMurray started a thread on a similar subject.
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post Aug 5 2006, 02:04 AM
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QUOTE (Samaels Ghost @ Aug 4 2006, 08:54 PM)
If anyone should be on the forefront of Matrix Magic then I think the Tibetan monks would be a great choice. Maybe they're the Idols? Wasn't there something funky going down in that area like a never ending storm?

And yet, there's no Matrix in Tibet. At least, not as of Shadows of Asia. However, there are rumors regarding Tibetan monks in Runner Havens, rumors which may also involve the Matrix.

And yes, there is a never-ending storm going on down there. There's a bunch of info on that in Shadows of Asia, but since the Table of Contents lists it, I think it's safe for me to say it also gets some coverage in Street Magic.
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post Aug 5 2006, 02:15 AM
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FanGirl lead me to more of Witness's theories on the subject. So it has been discussed before. Interesting. I still think I should get somes props since it appears that this comes from EarthDawn stuff and I have never read any of that. Here's Witness:

QUOTE ("Witness")
Personally I like to think that the truth may be somewhat the other way around. What if, long ago, ancients wove mana (and life) on Earth into a network (the Tapestry or the Great Pattern) which was a lot like a magical Matrix (Dragonspeech = machine code, True Name = commcode, Magic users = 'technomancers', Spirits = agents/sprites, Horoi = extradimensional hackers?).

Then along came the Matrix, a technological reinvention of the same basic principles. The dragons, of course, are fascinated by the parallels. And now and then it seems as if the technological Matrix so closely reflects its magical predecessor that the two resonate. Then along comes a new Matrix, even more similar to the Tapestry. The resonance becomes more powerful.

As the Matrix continues to evolve, I see the two networks merging. But maybe that's something to look forwards to in the Seventh or Eighth World.

Of course I'm probably just mad. Or deeply troubled. wink.gif
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post Aug 5 2006, 02:22 AM
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QUOTE (Samaels Ghost)
I must obtain one of these "hate engines" and fight you to the death!

This is my hate engine. There are many like it but this one is mine. My hate engine is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my hate engine is useless. Without my hate engine I am useless. I must rev my hate engine true. I must drive harder than my enemy, who is trying to kill me. I must cow him before he cows me. I will. Before God I swear this creed: my hate engine and myself are defenders of my country, we are the masters of my enemy, we are the saviors of my life. So be it, until there is no enemy, but peace. Amen.
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post Aug 5 2006, 02:25 AM
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post Aug 5 2006, 02:39 AM
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post Aug 5 2006, 02:40 AM
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QUOTE (Samaels Ghost)
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Maybe this is helpful.
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post Aug 5 2006, 03:47 AM
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The hate engine has nothing on the abortion engine.
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post Aug 5 2006, 03:52 AM
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Screw your hate engine. I want one of those abortion engines.

and i do know the "this is my gun" thing. The deadpan look was was for SL's crazy, scaryness. [shudder]
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post Aug 5 2006, 07:13 AM
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I haven't read Imago in a long time but doesn't the elf imprisson his spirit in some kind of sophisticated cyberdeck? Another allusion to the magic/matrix parallel....
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post Aug 5 2006, 09:06 PM
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Yeah, is he talking about that Leo cat? Who was Leo anyway? Doesn't he have some sort of magical deck?
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