 Firearms that make sense..., Internal consistency and a little more realism |
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 Apr 6 2011, 02:53 AM
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Shooting Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,768 Joined: 31-October 08 From: Redmond (Yes, really) Member No.: 16,558  |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 5 2011, 06:50 PM)  If they go faster than normal bullets, they're not silent (-er, -ish, anything). The thing is, there are already plenty of options for stun: SnS, Gel, Capsule, shotguns (effectively), etc. I'd like something that could reliably do Physical, without being brokenly powerful. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Just for kicks. Physical is harder to heal, for one thing. Okay, you have a point (2, even!). I was thinking about the Needler as written, which IIRC is silent; needles would not be, yay sonic booms in enclosed spaces! Roll save vs. deafness. This would be fun to use against PCs - they hate physical damage, especially when you enforce healing modifiers (IMG:style_emoticons/default/devil.gif) |
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Apr 6 2011, 02:55 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Do red bullets fired from an ork's gun go faster?
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Apr 6 2011, 03:02 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,026 Joined: 13-February 10 Member No.: 18,155 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Apr 5 2011, 06:55 PM) Do red bullets fired from an ork's gun go faster? Well I don't reallREDBULLETGOREDBULLETGOREDBULLETGOREDBULLETGOREDBULLETGO |
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Apr 6 2011, 03:03 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,768 Joined: 31-October 08 From: Redmond (Yes, really) Member No.: 16,558 |
On reflection (and discussion with Faraday), -1 DV/-4 AP seems fair, considering the incredible capacity and FA capabilities of needle guns.
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Apr 6 2011, 03:20 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Now, can any old gun fire the flechette ammo? AFAIK, that's 'yes'; should it be? We know that the Slivergun can't fire any normal ammo types (right?), so I wonder.
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Apr 6 2011, 04:10 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,768 Joined: 31-October 08 From: Redmond (Yes, really) Member No.: 16,558 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 5 2011, 07:20 PM) Now, can any old gun fire the flechette ammo? AFAIK, that's 'yes'; should it be? We know that the Slivergun can't fire any normal ammo types (right?), so I wonder. This type of flechette ammo requires a barrel seal, so probably just needleguns. |
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Apr 6 2011, 04:20 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
That's what I figured. Maybe it could be a weapon mod. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) An extremely niche one, of course.
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Apr 6 2011, 04:21 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,768 Joined: 31-October 08 From: Redmond (Yes, really) Member No.: 16,558 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 5 2011, 08:20 PM) That's what I figured. Maybe it could be a weapon mod. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) An extremely niche one, of course. Maybe. Interesting side note: I'm trypanophobic (fear of needles) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) |
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Apr 6 2011, 01:44 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Apr 6 2011, 04:55 AM) Do red bullets fired from an ork's gun go faster? red unz go fasta. vehicles get more movement distance and shootas deal more damage i think, but i am not sure . . Interesting side note: I'm tyranophobic (fear of tyranosaurus) |
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Apr 6 2011, 03:31 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,548 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
QUOTE (Epicedion @ Apr 5 2011, 04:15 PM) Actually, I do. Your steel/ceramic/duraplast/kevlar/ferrocrete/whatever shell of armor, even if it's just armored clothing, is orders of magnitude tougher than human skin. Its job is to absorb and distribute the force of a projectile impact, because the only way the projectile does serious damage is by concentrating its force on a small area. The better a projectile is at piercing the armor, the more energy that projectile is going to carry beyond the armor. The more damage it's going to do to whatever soft target is behind the tougher exterior. ... Here's an idea, what about a super-dense, non-Newtonian fluid contained in a frangible case. The case permits (approximately) normal bullet performance in air. Upon contact, the frangible case is destroyed. The fluid reacts to the heavy force of the armor as a solid, directing its force in a single point. But against soft armor/flesh, it acts more like a liquid and diffuses itself. It would still break the skin and cause substantial bleeding, and break hard things like bones, but it's not going to penetrate very deeply. Thoughts? |
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Apr 6 2011, 03:35 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
What is Gel-Ammo Nezumi?
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Apr 6 2011, 04:03 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,548 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
Gel ammo is gel. Non-Newtonian would act like standard ammo against dense surfaces, and gel ammo against soft surfaces. It is indeed Epictenter's slow moving, elastic bullet. It just doesn't teleport.
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Apr 6 2011, 04:31 PM
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Douche Group: Banned Posts: 1,584 Joined: 2-March 11 Member No.: 23,135 |
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Apr 6 2011, 04:45 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 124 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 3,782 |
After seeing a real AA12 do its magic, i was very saddened by the functionality of the SR version of it. I think its the AA16?
Maybe my mental picture of shotguns differ, but I think they should have an "oh shit" factor between traditional firearms and heavy weapons/explosives. |
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Apr 6 2011, 04:46 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
QUOTE (Blog @ Apr 6 2011, 06:45 PM) After seeing a real AA12 do its magic, i was very saddened by the functionality of the SR version of it. I think its the AA16? Maybe my mental picture of shotguns differ, but I think they should have an "oh shit" factor between traditional firearms and heavy weapons/explosives. Much better automatish Shotgun |
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Apr 6 2011, 04:54 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,548 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
QUOTE (Epicedion @ Apr 6 2011, 11:31 AM) Sorry, Epicdion. My mistake. |
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Apr 6 2011, 05:06 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Apr 6 2011, 11:46 AM) "I'm going to name her Vera!" |
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Apr 6 2011, 05:08 PM
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Douche Group: Banned Posts: 1,584 Joined: 2-March 11 Member No.: 23,135 |
Too bad about the Pancor Jackhammer.
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Apr 6 2011, 05:21 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 302 Joined: 11-May 10 From: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada Member No.: 18,569 |
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Apr 6 2011, 12:46 PM) I thought that was an AA12, was I wrong in that? That said, in the movie it fires *way* too many rounds between reloads. |
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Apr 6 2011, 05:46 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (Raven the Trickster @ Apr 6 2011, 12:21 PM) I thought that was an AA12, was I wrong in that? That said, in the movie it fires *way* too many rounds between reloads. It's a nudge towards the old '80s classic action flicks, where you only reload when it's appropriate. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) |
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Apr 6 2011, 05:53 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,179 Joined: 10-June 10 From: St. Louis, UCAS/CAS Border Member No.: 18,688 |
QUOTE (Epicedion @ Apr 6 2011, 05:08 PM) Too bad about the Pancor Jackhammer. Is your schtick going to be shitting on everyone's parade? 'Cause if it is, I may as well get my nut punches out of the way early. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) |
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Apr 6 2011, 06:13 PM
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Douche Group: Banned Posts: 1,584 Joined: 2-March 11 Member No.: 23,135 |
QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Apr 6 2011, 12:53 PM) Is your schtick going to be shitting on everyone's parade? 'Cause if it is, I may as well get my nut punches out of the way early. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) What? It's an SR-looking auto-shotgun. |
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Apr 6 2011, 06:23 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,179 Joined: 10-June 10 From: St. Louis, UCAS/CAS Border Member No.: 18,688 |
One no longer in development. Sadness for me, I'll have to look for something else for my game hunting.
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Apr 6 2011, 06:24 PM
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Douche Group: Banned Posts: 1,584 Joined: 2-March 11 Member No.: 23,135 |
Weaponized Anthrax. For duck huntin'.
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Apr 6 2011, 06:26 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
CIWS.
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