 My history with CGL, Why I think things are better now |
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 Oct 22 2011, 11:26 PM
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Running Target  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,003 Joined: 3-May 11 From: Brisbane Australia Member No.: 29,391  |
Paizo's 3 stage playtests do a pretty good job and it's not like it cost them sales or anything.
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Oct 22 2011, 11:29 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
I'm a bitter, black-hearted bastard when the dust settles, and at the risk of destroying the overall positivity of this thread, I'd like to say add a few things. Padraig, I'm glad you're feeling better about the company, and I'm thrilled you're actually getting paid, even if it's store credit for proofing. It's more than I would have expected a year ago, and more than I expect a year from now. Despite your current positive experiences, I know that people rarely change, and when they do not by much. It might be six months or a year, but eventually the people in charge - of the company and the gameline - are going to fuck you over again. Arguably, Jason never stopped, considering the absolute shit that's been passed as product lately.
Which is not to say I hate Shadowrun, or the fans, or even the people that write for it. If Padraig, Bull, Cain, and Crimsondude are having fun and actually getting compensated for it, writing the products they want to write and receiving the feedback they deserve on it, that's great. If they fans enjoy the books and buy them, that's great for them. I just can't afford to trust them anymore, and I wouldn't encourage anyone else to. |
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Nov 1 2011, 02:08 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 151 Joined: 28-August 08 From: Berlin, Germany Member No.: 16,285 |
Just to chime in with what Patrick said: I have been paid for everything I ever did for CGL, be it store credit for proofreading or be it ca$h for artwork, and never have to remind anyone to pay me, too (sometimes I'll ask when a certain payment will arrive because I lost track, and that's all).
Carry on. AAS |
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Nov 16 2011, 12:41 AM
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Tilting at Windmills Group: Members Posts: 1,636 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Amarillo, TX, CAS Member No.: 388 |
Thread necro to inform those that care that Catalyst Game Labs is up-to-date with payments due to me. I go into the new contract I'm about to sign with optimism.
Well, as optimistic as Shadowrun can be, anyway. |
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Nov 16 2011, 12:47 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (Patrick Goodman @ Nov 15 2011, 08:41 PM)  Thread necro to inform those that care that Catalyst Game Labs is up-to-date with payments due to me. I go into the new contract I'm about to sign with optimism. So the Johnson didn't screw you for once? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Well, as optimistic as Shadowrun can be, anyway. |
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Nov 16 2011, 01:21 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,416 Joined: 4-March 06 From: Albuquerque Member No.: 8,334 |
Well... he did get into more contracts... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Nov 17 2011, 05:23 PM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
QUOTE (Patrick Goodman @ Nov 15 2011, 08:41 PM) Thread necro to inform those that care that Catalyst Game Labs is up-to-date with payments due to me. I go into the new contract I'm about to sign with optimism. Well, as optimistic as Shadowrun can be, anyway. Yeah, it was nice to get home, check the mail, and realize that even though I had forgotten I was getting paid in earth-moneys for Street Legends, they had remembered and cut me a check. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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Nov 17 2011, 06:07 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 92 Joined: 20-March 10 From: Around the Ley Lines on the 'moors. Great Britain. Member No.: 18,323 |
QUOTE (Critias @ Nov 17 2011, 06:23 PM) Yeah, it was nice to get home, check the mail, and realize that even though I had forgotten I was getting paid in earth-moneys for Street Legends, they had remembered and cut me a check. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Unexpected money is always welcome, good to hear the cash is comming in on time for you guys now. |
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Nov 20 2011, 11:19 PM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 453 Joined: 15-August 02 From: Kansas City, MO Member No.: 3,116 |
So I'm away from the game for a few years and everything goes to drek. =) Just got done reading threads and updates through May of 2010 on The Great Unpleasantness. Did it go to trial? What was the outcome? I am holding a Limited Edition SR4A in my hands, and CGL/BattleShop appear to be going concerns. Did the whole thing just smooth over and life continued, or did they go bankrupt and restructure? Did Post Human et al get satisfaction in court? Guessing the PACK system I'm looking at here in my Runners Toolkit isn't Ancient History's. How does it differ? Looks like AH's lore archive is no longer online. GAH!
Can someone summarize? |
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Nov 20 2011, 11:20 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Bad drek happened. Things happened. Better drek happened. Life is still drek. Buy a hat.
It's Shadowrun, what else did you expect? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) |
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Nov 21 2011, 02:51 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,840 Joined: 24-July 02 From: Lubbock, TX Member No.: 3,024 |
There are plenty of threads around that cover things in detail.
But I guess a summary would be: Someone at CGL (or maybe In Media Res) made some no-nos in regards to accounting methods and co-mingling of funds Freelancers weren't being paid/paid on time CGL was thought to be sure to lose the SR license Bunch of people quit/refused to release their material already written CGL kept the license CGL put out some material that was already written and some questionable material that had to be completed anew after some material was withheld from various writers SR started making money again and the products seem to be getting better Errata is still a thing that is 'being worked on'. I'm not certain everything I attribute to CGL was actually a CGL issue, I can't recall off-hand who owns what etc. I'll be honest, and the fallout from the stuff still has me very wary to purchase SR products, which is a bummer. |
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Nov 21 2011, 03:53 AM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 453 Joined: 15-August 02 From: Kansas City, MO Member No.: 3,116 |
Ask for a summary and you get a summary.
Can someone elaborate on the summary? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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Nov 21 2011, 04:04 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,183 Joined: 5-December 07 From: Lower UCAS, along the border Member No.: 14,507 |
Sure. I keep this link handy just in case.
Summary of the Great CGL Fallout of 2010. With a tip o' the hat to AH. |
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Nov 21 2011, 04:13 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 |
The owner of CGL built his mansion using company funds. So the freelancers, their printers, and CGL's business partners (like Wildfire) didn't get paid because CGL had no money. Then all the competent people quit as a result of either not being paid or because they were told to shut up and ignore the facts. And all the partners like wildfire demanded their stuff and money. And people filed suits demanding their money or the company be liquidated if they couldn't pay.
Anyhow, the quality of SR products has completely crashed, with crap like War! as the leading example. |
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Nov 21 2011, 04:22 AM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
opinions differ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Nov 21 2011, 04:23 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,183 Joined: 5-December 07 From: Lower UCAS, along the border Member No.: 14,507 |
And now that this conversation has returned like a bad case of indigestion... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Nov 21 2011, 04:36 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,416 Joined: 4-March 06 From: Albuquerque Member No.: 8,334 |
The general consensus is that the product line took a rather large dip culminating with WAR!, and there is mixed feelings on how good it's gotten since then. Many people are overly critical now due to the varied issues that occurred, and you'll see many who don't give a product any chance on its own. Any grammatical errors are torn asunder and quickly drop a product into the "crap" bucket for lots on this forum.
Summary: The CGL debacle made some people permanently jaded against the product and/or company. |
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Nov 21 2011, 05:20 AM
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Tilting at Windmills Group: Members Posts: 1,636 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Amarillo, TX, CAS Member No.: 388 |
QUOTE (ravensmuse @ Nov 20 2011, 10:23 PM) And now that this conversation has returned like a bad case of indigestion... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) And was, of course, precisely what I didn't want coming up, so to speak, in this thread. TAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, PEOPLE. I don't want the ghost of flamewars past dropped in here. And kzt? I'll try not to take that personally. |
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Nov 21 2011, 05:23 AM
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Grand Master of Run-Fu Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,840 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 178 |
I'm not allowed to comment on the quality of the products. I will say I've done my part to stop typos and grammatical errors, and I feel that much has improved.
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Nov 21 2011, 06:31 AM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 453 Joined: 15-August 02 From: Kansas City, MO Member No.: 3,116 |
kzt, Jhaiisiin and ravensmuse, thanks for the summaries. I had already read the contents from AH's chronicle of events you linked to, and have spent the last two days reading the actual threads. But as you'll note the chronicle ends in May 2010. Does anyone know if there was a legal resolution to the June bankruptcy proceedings? Someone is cheerily updating Facebook posts every few hours (presumably Jason Hardy) and product is still shipping out the BattleStore doors. Did the whole debacle just freeze in time after May? It seems Topps relicensed the rights to CGL and all, but I'm having trouble getting any closure on the specifics. Seems like the conversation and information flow just stopped in October 2010 when Mesh said "That sounds like a nice ending. Thread closed." More specifically, it's like I feverishly read through a thick, protracted epistolary novel (or SR 4 Campaign setting exposition) only to find the ending is missing. =)
Patrick Goodman's OP seemed like an epilogue of sorts, but the actual climactic final chapters are missing. If there was no ending, I get it. But if there was, would love to find the final chapters and what happened to the Colemans (if anything). =) Furluge's prediction seems to have come true (I know it was true for myself until readying all this): "Catalyst is going to keep making Shadowrun with all the same old people in charge, they're going to do everything you hate, and 90% of gamers will like it and won't even have realized any dispute happened in the first place." |
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Nov 21 2011, 06:44 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,416 Joined: 4-March 06 From: Albuquerque Member No.: 8,334 |
To honor PG's request, go ahead and make a new thread about this so DS can generally respond to it instead of clogging up this thread with further off-topic banter. We (Dumpshock) will pick it up there.
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Nov 21 2011, 07:03 AM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 453 Joined: 15-August 02 From: Kansas City, MO Member No.: 3,116 |
Sorry Patrick, hadn't seen your request before my last post.
Peace. =) |
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Nov 21 2011, 07:13 AM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 453 Joined: 15-August 02 From: Kansas City, MO Member No.: 3,116 |
As requested, new thread located here.
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Nov 21 2011, 09:19 AM
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Running Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,003 Joined: 3-May 11 From: Brisbane Australia Member No.: 29,391 |
QUOTE (Patrick Goodman @ Nov 21 2011, 03:20 PM) And kzt? I'll try not to take that personally. Maybe he likes his infected to sparkle in the sun (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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Nov 21 2011, 11:20 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,183 Joined: 5-December 07 From: Lower UCAS, along the border Member No.: 14,507 |
QUOTE (Patrick Goodman @ Nov 21 2011, 12:20 AM) And was, of course, precisely what I didn't want coming up, so to speak, in this thread. TAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, PEOPLE. I don't want the ghost of flamewars past dropped in here. I'd like to mention that I only gave the link and gave no commentary, so I'm sorry if I bothered you Patrick (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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