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[Samoth]

Remington Roomsweeper is a Heavy Pistol-sized (conceal 0) sawed off shotgun that holds 8 shells in the magazine. Defiance T-250 is a full-sized shotgun that holds 5 shells. The short barrel T-250 has a conceal modifier of +4.

I've used plenty of shotguns and I promise that a 8 round magazine will stick out about 2 feet. Even if the Roomsweeper uses a box magazine like a Saiga it would ruin the concealability. I believe these figures have been this way forever, but maybe it's time for a logical change?

[Mäx]

Remington Roomsweeper is a Heavy Pistol-sized (conceal 0) sawed off shotgun that holds 8 shells in the magazine. Defiance T-250 is a full-sized shotgun that holds 5 shells. The short barrel T-250 has a conceal modifier of +4.

I've used plenty of shotguns and I promise that a 8 round magazine will stick out about 2 feet. Even if the Roomsweeper uses a box magazine like a Saiga it would ruin the concealability. I believe these figures have been this way forever, but maybe it's time for a logical change?

Roomsweeper doesn't shoot full sized 12gauge shotgun rounds like the actual shotguns do, it shoots .410 bore shotgun shells like the real life Taurus Judge Revolver.
This is quite evident from the damage codes.

[Samoth]

Roomsweeper doesn't shoot full sized 12gauge shotgun rounds like the actual shotguns do, it shoots .410 bore shotgun shells like the real life Taurus Judge Revolver.
This is quite evident from the damage codes.

No way, birdshot does not do 7P. Even if it did, 8 shells is still a very long tube magazine.

[Mäx]

No way, birdshot does not do 7P.

Who said anything about birdshot, .410 isn't exclusively available as birdshot

[Samoth]

Who said anything about birdshot, .410 isn't exclusively available as birdshot

That is off topic, the logic is that the Roomsweeper should either have less ammo capacity and/or the T-250 should have more. Common sense.

[binarywraith]

Roomsweeper doesn't shoot full sized 12gauge shotgun rounds like the actual shotguns do, it shoots .410 bore shotgun shells like the real life Taurus Judge Revolver.
This is quite evident from the damage codes.

.410 shells are the same length (2.5" or 3") as standard 12GA shells. Hence why the Judge has an absurdly long cylinder.

So no, using .410 doesn't explain anything, unless the Roomsweeper is using an oversized cylinder. A standard shotgun-style feed would still have to be at least 21" long, more likely 23" to account for the spring and endcap.

[Sendaz]

That one is actually right. The preposterously tall buildings of Shadowrun are called skyrakers.

They used to be called Skyhoes, but the name was withdrawn for a number of reasons. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Redjack]

The ERRATA THREAD should only have ERRATA. If you wish to post questions, snarky ass comments or other assorted crap, post it in any of the dozen threads already created or create a new one.

Thank you,
The Management.

This seems to have not been seen by everyone.

[Elve]

p.56: Several optional rules should be included in the book according to the box, but the single optional rule I found is on p.379 for Grunts.
p.384: The Elite Force Lieutenant is missing his magic attribute.

Why was this one moved here?

[Mäx]

.410 shells are the same length (2.5" or 3") as standard 12GA shells. Hence why the Judge has an absurdly long cylinder.

So no, using .410 doesn't explain anything, unless the Roomsweeper is using an oversized cylinder. A standard shotgun-style feed would still have to be at least 21" long, more likely 23" to account for the spring and endcap.

What on earth give you the idea that Roomsweeper uses standard shotgun-style internal magazine, that would be utterly impractical in a pistol.

On an completely other front, shouldn't prime runner be able to get better contacs in chargen and not just more of them?

[Redjack]

Why was this one moved here?

Sorry. My shovel scooped too widely. Moved back.

[KarmaInferno]

page 310, Missile Parry:
"You need to have at least one empty hand to use Missile Party."
-- should be Parry

I just have to say, even after this is corrected, there totally needs to be something in SR5 called "Missile Party".


-k

[Stahlseele]

MRSI equipped Missles?



also:
under SR4, cyberware-scanners with millimeter radar were pretty much everywhere by both fluff and crunch and you needed to broadcast your sin almost everywhere you went.

i have not read anybody bitching about this as of yet in terms of SR5.
is that one of the things simply glossed over/retconned then?

[KarmaInferno]

What on earth give you the idea that Roomsweeper uses standard shotgun-style internal magazine, that would be utterly impractical in a pistol.

On an completely other front, shouldn't prime runner be able to get better contacs in chargen and not just more of them?

The Roomsweeper used to be a sawed off cut down shotgun, often double barreled, that was crammed with debris as ammo with crude black powder propellant. More or less the kinda gun you might see in the Barrens.

Wow have things changed.



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[Skynet]

I think you're refering to the Streetsweeper.

[Skynet]

Edit: Accidental multipost

[Mäx]

The Roomsweeper used to be a sawed off cut down shotgun, often double barreled, that was crammed with debris as ammo with crude black powder propellant. More or less the kinda gun you might see in the Barrens.

Wow have things changed.

Yeah no, thats the sreetsweeper

[KarmaInferno]

Ah, okay then, nevermind.

Though I would not be surprised if the Roomsweeper was originally a Corp attempt to create a saleable version of the Streetsweeper, while missing the whole point of that weapon.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)



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[Jaid]

I just have to say, even after this is corrected, there totally needs to be something in SR5 called "Missile Party".


-k

hmmm... get a bunch of heimdall drones, load them up with social skill autosofts. mod them to have arms, and a holoprojector so that they can project faces. add virtual personalities to taste.

[Samoth]

I would never use the weapon art as a guide when trying to figure out how these guns are supposed to work, but you have to break the laws of physics to get a Shotgun with an 8 round magazine to be as concealable as a heavy pistol. Shotgun shells are quite large, even if we're using .410 which I doubt, but this is also the rules set that for 25 years has let the Slivergun operate on seemingly magical laws.

[binarywraith]

What on earth give you the idea that Roomsweeper uses standard shotgun-style internal magazine, that would be utterly impractical in a pistol.

Because a shotgun cut down to the size of a heavy pistol looks like this :

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8rk2hUC...n310o1_1280.jpg

That is the Serbu Super Shorty. It holds 3 2.5" or 3" shotgun shells, two in the tube magazine and one in the chamber.

An 8-round stacked magazine is going to be ~3.5" wide, 1" thick, and 7" long to contain shotgun shells, which is absurdly large for heavy pistol concealability, as it would increase the gun to the size of a small SMG.

So how the hell is it -supposed- to hold 8 shells?

[Epicedion]

Because a shotgun cut down to the size of a heavy pistol looks like this :

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8rk2hUC...n310o1_1280.jpg

That is the Serbu Super Shorty. It holds 3 2.5" or 3" shotgun shells, two in the tube magazine and one in the chamber.

An 8-round stacked magazine is going to be ~3.5" wide, 1" thick, and 7" long to contain shotgun shells, which is absurdly large for heavy pistol concealability, as it would increase the gun to the size of a small SMG.

So how the hell is it -supposed- to hold 8 shells?

It uses special high tech tiny shotgun shells.

[binarywraith]

It uses special high tech tiny shotgun shells.

Is it a gauss gun, then? Because even if you take all the propellant out of the shotgun shells, you're saving maybe half an inch of length.

[KarmaInferno]

There's a Remington Roomsweeper in the SR Blog





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[phlapjack77]

I just have to say, even after this is corrected, there totally needs to be something in SR5 called "Missile Party".

Hehe - I was thinking the same thing. The name is too cool to pass up. Maybe errata the adept power name instead of the text?