Your top 5, What top 5 things would you like to see Options

[Arethusa]

[JACK THE CHIPPER]

[Botch]

[Wounded Ronin]

[Wounded Ronin]

[Nikoli]

as melee weapons go, spike stilettos are nasty. They easily pop a skull and can cause lethal wounds. This was evident in an altercation back in the 60's IIRC, where cops raided a drag club and it turned violent. The queens took out several cops in self defense (it was an illegal raid, based on hate. from what I've heard there was no warrant)

[mfb]

sure, if you get a lucky hit. but i have a hard time seeing them doing more damage than an actual knife.

[Nikoli]

Doesn't really take a lucky hit. Hold shoe by toe, bring down in a hammering motion towards oponents head.

Is it easy to defend against, sure, if you are expecting resistence and know how to handle yourself.

Knives do the most damage ina stabbing moting, unless a cut is applid to a few select locations. So the same could be said, with a lucky hit, it does some good damage.

[Demosthenes]

[mfb]

what Demosthenes said, up to and including the MWWG Exception Clause. shoes are for wearing, knives are for stabbing. neither should be better at the other's job than the other is.

[Nikoli]

Fair enough. The knife is a much deadlier weapon, by the very nature it is designed to be a weapon. Never argued that point, nor did I mean to.
Let's face it, the basic mechanic for damage in SR1~3 does not lend itself to a wide variety of weapon representation. I could see a shoe doing STR-2L (stun if a flat, physical if heel, nail or stiletto's do STR-1L as they are more likely to puncture than the broader heels)

[Critias]

It's true that stilletto heels can be dangerous, but it's true that knives simply are dangerous. One needs to be held a certain way and very methodically and precisely used in a fashion for which it was not designed. The other has fairly simple directions, largely involving holding the correct half of it, and making some part of someone else's body hold the other half.

By nature, a specifically designed combat weapon is going to be better for making-with-the-stabbing than a not specifically designed combat weapon. It is, as such, quite strange that a shoe (in this example) does the same damage as a sword. Think about that.

[Garland]

Perhaps it's a dikoted stilletto heel.

Or an ally spirit? Maybe? :rotfl:

[Garland]

Grumble, grumble...

This post has been edited by Garland: Apr 21 2005, 04:19 PM

[Adarael]

[Garland]

Sure, if you don't mind the (STR)M damage.

[Wounded Ronin]

I guess I'll add my top 5.

1.) All powerful zaibatsu and inscruitable asian men in perfect blue business suits.
2.) Punk rockers with uzis, and the return of electric guitars to the equipment lists
3.) Katana does STR + 3 M damage, but Sword only does STR +2 M damage
4.) Elves with mullets, pistols, and leathers.
5.) Ninjas who drink mountain dew

[The Horror]

1) All NPCs stats and skills boiled down to a threat rating value (or three - one for Mind, Physical and Social).

2) XP system that is based upon character goals and the accomplishment of those goals during play.

3) Inclusion of mechanics that give in game bonuses to players following their character goals.

4) Removal of Essence from the game. Instead make cyberware modify/reduce the willingness of the character to pursue his goals as defined in (2) and (3) above. So the more cyberware a character gets, the less he cares about the world and the slower he will advance. Immediate gain at the expense of what it is that makes us human - our drive to pursue that which is important to us, however illogical that thing may be.

5) All the game rules boiled down to 100 pages, and the rest of the core rules devoted to the setting, to equipment, contacts, critters, etc.



The Horror

[Caine Hazen]

1) less reactionary people shouting "the world is ending" on Dumpshock's Forums
2) less whiners on Dumpshock's Forums
3) more elf pr0n
4) more posts praising folks who are kind enough to both playtest and keep us informed as best they can
5) More people making constructive posts and dropping the needless speculation...

[Wounded Ronin]

[Bigity]

What else can we do besides speculate?

6) Less posts complaining about other posts

[warrior_allanon]

[ElFenrir]

Well, hmmm...

1. Something with the damned vehicle/rigging rules. Please. I'd like to think of myself and my group and somewhat bright but when we are looking at rules that look like 'When Vehicle X is driving 60 KPH down the road, Vehicle Y is driving 46 KPH down the road and vehicle Z is coming in at 50 KPH down the road, first add together the three speeds, divide by 5.7, and don't round. Next, Runner A is standing at the side firing his Ares Predator at vehicle X, while runner B is shooting Vehicle Y's tires with an Ingram Valiant. Vehicle X's rigger is going to take a shot at Runner B. Meanwhile, Vehicle Z must make a Pre-Pre-positioning test because he is in combat with vehicle Y at the same time and is driving over a pothole. Take the number from the three speeds and multiply that by the number of meters that have passed by in the combat turn to figure out the number for the Second Positioning Test, but keep in mind that Vehicle X's rigger is eating a bowl of oatmeal at this time so...' we go nuts. This is what the current rules look like to us. (and yeah, i did overblow it a bit there but it's not terribly far off...)

2. I'd also like to see more skill based decking. And yeah, cheaper programs. It's true when they say the decker is the reason for the million...I made a part time decker once with moderate programs that still ran me into the hundreds of thousands.

3. More Shadowbeat esque stuff again. I'm a music junkie and like other ends of the spectrum as well.

4. Which is it...can or can't Astral beings pass thru living stuff? Just pick one and stick with it.

5. I am also all for a nice BBB with all the stuff you need. I mean there will be sourcebooks, but just give some nice tables of the stuff at least...and yeah, don't skimp on the artwork.

[warrior_allanon]

[Aardvark892]

Only one thing: Free Spirits as PC's.