Hey... Why does this stuff matter so much? I mean, it's all just meat, right? Unless it's gnawing on my toes, I don't really care what the body in front of me has inside it. 'Cept you bug spirits have some major problems, you know? I mean, I don't think metahumanity's all fine and wonderful, either, but you're not so great yourselves. But seriously, I think it'd be kinda cool not to have to deal with the flesh and all that drek, but instead you come here and try to -take- it from someone else. Seems pretty stupid to me.
There's my vote for bug spirits as equals to metahumans.
Everyone's equally stupid.
...where's my coffee?
-Kitsune
Full Version: Mantid Ladies should not be persecuted.
*Hands Kitsune some espresso*
The girl's got a point, I suppose...
~J
The girl's got a point, I suppose...
~J
Invae? What the heck's an invae? That elf-talk for bug spirit?
Y'know, I bet ol Ghostie up in Denver would know about these things. Maybe someday I'll be able to present a gift that won't get me eaten an' I can ask 'im.
Y'know, I bet ol Ghostie up in Denver would know about these things. Maybe someday I'll be able to present a gift that won't get me eaten an' I can ask 'im.
Dunkelzahn learned the hard way what happens when the wrong secrets are told too soon. And even those of us who think we understand the whole story find our knowledge woefully inadequate. Perhaps you should ask yourself first how much you really need to know?
| QUOTE (ialdabaoth) |
| Dunkelzahn learned the hard way what happens when the wrong secrets are told too soon. |
In what way?
Sing it with me, friends!
"Information just wants to be freee..."
-Kitsune
"Information just wants to be freee..."
-Kitsune
| QUOTE |
| In what way? |
In the only way that finally matters. Listen, I've been doing a LOT of research lately. This is quite possibly the most important thing I've ever said, to anybody, and I'm very likely going to die for having said it someday. Fine. Whatever.
This world has gained too much power, too quickly. The tide of mana is rising too fast, fueled by the anguish and grief of the oppressed. The Great Ghost Dance was a monumental human sacrifice. The practices of Aztechnology and voudon, too.
You remember your physics? Potential and kinetic energy? Life-force is like kinetic energy. Mana is like potential energy. Energy conserves. When you kill all those people magically, that energy has to go somewhere.
The bug spirits aren't even supposed to BE here, yet. The fact that they're here so early - the fact that they can survive here at all, this soon in the mana cycle - is a dire sign. It only gets worse from here. We're at "invasion of the body snatchers" level, now. Read some H.P. Lovecraft if you want a good idea of what comes next.
Someone had to teach Daniel Howling Coyote how to dance. Someone had to teach Atzlan how to draw power from their sacrifices. Blame them for your bug hives, and blame them for what hapens next. Smart money from here on out is on learning as much about magic as you possibly can, and NOT USING IT UNLESS YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO. Or next time there won't be anyone left to remember this world's Atlantises.
Ooh ooh ooh, and the government is using mind-control devices on us that they got from the aliens in Roswell!
Do you have some evidence to back your rather considerable claims up?
~J
Do you have some evidence to back your rather considerable claims up?
~J
Actually... as much as I hate to say it, I've heard rumors...
Or maybe I'm just thinking of that old anime I was watching the other day. I don't remember.
*shrugs*
No matter.
Or maybe I'm just thinking of that old anime I was watching the other day. I don't remember.
*shrugs*
No matter.
Studies are suggesting that the level of magic is rising, yes, but they've also suggested that like global warming this may be an event that has happened many times. Currently, the leading theory is that Atlantis or whatever prompted the myth thereof fell because its infrastructure was so magic-dependent as to be unable to survive the declining levels of magic, and unless you've managed to get some Dragons talking about things they thus far have not been talking about, I somehow doubt that you are backed up by better evidence than the academic community.
~J
~J
You know, Ialdabaoth may have a point. My buddy Red is a hermetic mage of some power. Last year we were doing a job in Puyallup when we stumbled across a bug hive. The crappy thing was is that the people they couldn't posses they were sacrificing in what, Red called, "Blood magic". Thing is we couldn't figure out why they were doing it. Red did a quick astral scan and when he got back he was pissed. 6 Fire elementals later and the place was a burning molten slab. He wouldn't talk about it, wouldn't tell me anything, but all he kept saying was "too soon."
So take it for what's it's worth, but it does make sense.
So take it for what's it's worth, but it does make sense.
Ehm... 
Not that I'm doubting that what you said happened, it's just that you have drawn an insanely fragile line of reasoning between what happened and why it happened.
~J
Not that I'm doubting that what you said happened, it's just that you have drawn an insanely fragile line of reasoning between what happened and why it happened.
~J
ialdabaoth, your post is most interesting, but my most potent sources say the percentage difference in the rate your world returns to be reachable is less than 5% and will likely be normalized by a relatively long period of minimal re-alignment. The part that may be cause for concern is that some regions are showing much higher solidity than the average and others are only barely present. The variation is much higher than any previous such period I can find sources about. On a similar note, the last time your world faded, it was a much more erratic process than previous times, so it could be that the old equilibrium has been distorted.
After getting some materials attributed to H.P. Lovecraft, I can say with certainty that his "nightmares" would be rather traumatizing to anyone who experiences them. However even the most oppressive beings I have encountered still show a greater resemblance to human politics than Lovecraft's "Old Ones."
After getting some materials attributed to H.P. Lovecraft, I can say with certainty that his "nightmares" would be rather traumatizing to anyone who experiences them. However even the most oppressive beings I have encountered still show a greater resemblance to human politics than Lovecraft's "Old Ones."
Ialdabaoth, yer more paranoid than ya need to be. The ghost dance was probably just tribal history. Aztlan could have invented blood magic for all we really know. And noone's gonna kill ya for a magical theory. However, now I wanna know what chip you've been slotting to say something like the bugs ain't s'posed t' be here yet.
If I was so sure of gettin' killed, and I knew by who and didn't think I could stop it myself, I'd be singin' long an' loud to whoever'd hear about who I thunk was gonna do it. Law of averages says a few'll believe ya. Maybe one of 'em'll help ya. If nothing else, the story spreads. And ya know, some folk believe urban legends.
Back to mantid chat now. Hot Wheels, here's what ya do to prove a good merge. Pick a competent an' credible magician before yer next "good merge." Make sure ya got enough of yer buddies around that he ain't gonna tey nothin' that'd get 'im geeked. Have him assense the potential merge. Have him watch the merge astrally, then assense the finished product. If it is indeed an "absorbtion" then there should be a good percentage of that host's spirit. Kinda like an astral DNA test. Then pay him to spread the word an' let 'im go. Have this happen enough times and you'll have the word spread that it's an absorbtion, not a destruction. There's yer first step, all gift wrapped for ya. If it's so important for ya t' prove yer such benevolent buggies, then you'll find a way to make this work.
If I was so sure of gettin' killed, and I knew by who and didn't think I could stop it myself, I'd be singin' long an' loud to whoever'd hear about who I thunk was gonna do it. Law of averages says a few'll believe ya. Maybe one of 'em'll help ya. If nothing else, the story spreads. And ya know, some folk believe urban legends.
Back to mantid chat now. Hot Wheels, here's what ya do to prove a good merge. Pick a competent an' credible magician before yer next "good merge." Make sure ya got enough of yer buddies around that he ain't gonna tey nothin' that'd get 'im geeked. Have him assense the potential merge. Have him watch the merge astrally, then assense the finished product. If it is indeed an "absorbtion" then there should be a good percentage of that host's spirit. Kinda like an astral DNA test. Then pay him to spread the word an' let 'im go. Have this happen enough times and you'll have the word spread that it's an absorbtion, not a destruction. There's yer first step, all gift wrapped for ya. If it's so important for ya t' prove yer such benevolent buggies, then you'll find a way to make this work.
| QUOTE (last_of_the_great_mikeys) |
| Ialdabaoth, yer more paranoid than ya need to be. The ghost dance was probably just tribal history. Aztlan could have invented blood magic for all we really know. And noone's gonna kill ya for a magical theory. However, now I wanna know what chip you've been slotting to say something like the bugs ain't s'posed t' be here yet. [snip, snip, snip...] There's yer first step, all gift wrapped for ya. If it's so important for ya t' prove yer such benevolent buggies, then you'll find a way to make this work. |
>>>>>[Ahh, I'm so glad you are mentioning tradition and old history.
The fact is, tradition is something we set up to confirm, and then preserve our roots as beings and cultures. And incidentally, this applies to our take on the metaphysical: just look at the way the whole Awakening shaped up after the day of Really Big Juju in 2011.
Traditions evolve, and sometimes they get lost or into hiding, for a variety of reasons: fear is always a powerful motivator.
Cue in your favorite Mary Shelley to tell you that some things are best left untouched, or think back to the hoop-to-ash galore during the glory days in Salem, just a few centuries away.
So the question remains.
It's a valid point, but the potentially fragging point is another: Coleman, the Azzies, DisneyCorp - didn't you know they want to resurrect Walt? Oh, and Elvis too - acted just like every other government and megacorp around the block. They simply did it for maximum effect and without minding the consequences, from sociopolitical to metaphysical, setting a good deal of drek in motion in the process.
What happens when you pollute and force your will on the Earth, riding on the edge? You speed up mutations and environmental disruption, you warp the flow of evolution.
And if you pollute and force your will on the ether, stretching the boundary between mundane and magic all too thin? You're in for some big-time warping and bad surprises in here, too, chummer.
Trust me, I know where I'm speaking of.
I think it was the Big D' who once said, "Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it". The big wizworm was quite right of course, but he should have added that the problem isn't in with the means, it's with the ends. With the darkness coming from the (meta)human heart.
And to the bug fellas out there: it's hard to accept the shakespearan notion that we share an affinity for finer emotions as intelligent beings, and should get all along, when somebody isn't playing by the rules.
Sorry, but what you offer isn't a relationship. It's a bargain, and there isn't any reimbursement once the deed is done.]<<<<<
-- D.S. (01:01:01/01-01-01)
You know, most people get the heebee jeebees from bugs. Seems like a natural thing to be freaked out by bugs. Maybe that's Mother Nature's way of telling us we should be. Now big spirit bugs are popping up, and I am getting that same heebee jeebee feeling. I am going to trust my instincts, they ain't steered me wrong before.
As for Big D and the Bugs, he and Ares go way back, right? And they were ones that got Bug City back under control, right? Then Big D gets killed. Sounds like someone didn't like their little plan getting ruined. Who has the reasources to summon crazy bug monsters from the outer planes and kill Commander and Wyrm himself? The Tirs. I'm telling you people, those keeblers ain't up to any good, never been up to any good, and ain't never will be up to any good.
As for Big D and the Bugs, he and Ares go way back, right? And they were ones that got Bug City back under control, right? Then Big D gets killed. Sounds like someone didn't like their little plan getting ruined. Who has the reasources to summon crazy bug monsters from the outer planes and kill Commander and Wyrm himself? The Tirs. I'm telling you people, those keeblers ain't up to any good, never been up to any good, and ain't never will be up to any good.
| QUOTE (last_of_the_great_mikeys) |
| Back on topic, I like the question about why the bugs wanna come to our little plane? So, Hot Wheels... and any other buggy types, |
I've never said I was associated with the Mantids. I just believe in giving sentient creatures a fair chance. As for the person who said he'd seen what "bugs" can do when he tried to grab from the UB. He makes the point for supporting mantids. The Mantids are also working against the UB. fighting against the very horros you experienced.
Sidekick, the Humanis thread is three doors down, just bring your sheet and ignor the sign on the door reading "Sons of Sauron" it's a cover, trust me.
Glyph you seem to see mantids as the natural order, but then fight against it as unfair. Does that mean that you will be ok if the soy plants and krill find a way to rise up against you?
Mikey- as I've said before, I've never claimed to be a mantid. I'm just an advocate for their rights. You put forward the idea of slowly easing into society. Yes I agree. The problem is that that far too many metahumans will not allow them to do so. Many mantids already are active within society but at the first attempt to open the door to their closet, they are attacked, vilified if lucky, bombed with WP more commonly!
As Bitten pointed out mantids are different from the greater mass of "bugs" becasue they do not try to create giant armies of possessed creatures shambling round in God forsaken hives, but merely selectively growing, keeping their numbers in check through self discipline so they don't, create chaos. Bugs thrive on it- look at Chicago. But the mantids in Seattle and other cities blend seemlessly into the society.
Glyph you seem to see mantids as the natural order, but then fight against it as unfair. Does that mean that you will be ok if the soy plants and krill find a way to rise up against you?
Mikey- as I've said before, I've never claimed to be a mantid. I'm just an advocate for their rights. You put forward the idea of slowly easing into society. Yes I agree. The problem is that that far too many metahumans will not allow them to do so. Many mantids already are active within society but at the first attempt to open the door to their closet, they are attacked, vilified if lucky, bombed with WP more commonly!
As Bitten pointed out mantids are different from the greater mass of "bugs" becasue they do not try to create giant armies of possessed creatures shambling round in God forsaken hives, but merely selectively growing, keeping their numbers in check through self discipline so they don't, create chaos. Bugs thrive on it- look at Chicago. But the mantids in Seattle and other cities blend seemlessly into the society.
| QUOTE (k1tsune) |
| . 'Cept you bug spirits have some major problems, you .... I think it'd be kinda cool not to have to deal with the flesh and all that drek, but instead you come here and try to -take- it from someone else. Seems pretty stupid to me. |
Bitten, weren't you going to have a....talk with her?
Quite right, Wheels...
hands Kitsune a cup of coffee, two creams one sugar
Kitsune, Mantis doesn't take her chosen.
I was not mindraped then had a spirit stuffed into me... Please, the very idea is repugnant and tasteless.
I don't know how many times I pointed out to you meta/humans but I wasn't taken. I was Chosen like any other shaman.
I haven't partaken in any rituals other than devouring bug spirits.
Why should I create a hive when the hive is in danger of being eradicated?? I live in interesting times as it is and I prefer to live undetected by biased meta/humans...
Other bugs prefer to have a hive made of fleshforms, the intermediary etc... Those are the scary ones. They are willing to lay waste to a neighbourhood just to get warm bodies... I do without.
First; It is ridicolous and wanton.
Second; It gives meta/humans a target.
Third; The Security measures are a bitch.
Fourth; I am not and neither is Mantis stupid enough to do these things.
Fifth; Meta/human flesh does NOT taste like chicken...
No, Mantis and I have made a Pact...
Believe it or not, Mantis is a nurturer and comforter. She may be strongwilled at times, but I surmise that most Totems are like that...
She and I are both Mothers. Me to my daughters, she to hers...
But...
Male rapists, pederasts, abusive husbands and bullies are dead meat walking...
Men on the other hand are treasures. I choose which is male and which is man as does any other woman worth her salt.
hands Kitsune a cup of coffee, two creams one sugar
Kitsune, Mantis doesn't take her chosen.
I was not mindraped then had a spirit stuffed into me... Please, the very idea is repugnant and tasteless.
I don't know how many times I pointed out to you meta/humans but I wasn't taken. I was Chosen like any other shaman.
I haven't partaken in any rituals other than devouring bug spirits.
Why should I create a hive when the hive is in danger of being eradicated?? I live in interesting times as it is and I prefer to live undetected by biased meta/humans...
Other bugs prefer to have a hive made of fleshforms, the intermediary etc... Those are the scary ones. They are willing to lay waste to a neighbourhood just to get warm bodies... I do without.
First; It is ridicolous and wanton.
Second; It gives meta/humans a target.
Third; The Security measures are a bitch.
Fourth; I am not and neither is Mantis stupid enough to do these things.
Fifth; Meta/human flesh does NOT taste like chicken...
No, Mantis and I have made a Pact...
Believe it or not, Mantis is a nurturer and comforter. She may be strongwilled at times, but I surmise that most Totems are like that...
She and I are both Mothers. Me to my daughters, she to hers...
But...
Male rapists, pederasts, abusive husbands and bullies are dead meat walking...
Men on the other hand are treasures. I choose which is male and which is man as does any other woman worth her salt.
| QUOTE (Hot Wheels) |
| Mikey- as I've said before, I've never claimed to be a mantid. I'm just an advocate for their rights. You put forward the idea of slowly easing into society. Yes I agree. The problem is that that far too many metahumans will not allow them to do so. Many mantids already are active within society but at the first attempt to open the door to their closet, they are attacked, vilified if lucky, bombed with WP more commonly! |
Well, there's one that ain't on the raid express. So it ain't impossible to get the word out. Sometimes ya gotta play a little fast and loose with the rules to get it done, but as long as no real permanent harm is done to anyone that ain't actively tryin' t'hurt ya first, then in my mind (as with most of us runners) it is allright. If ya gotta take baby steps, then ya gotta take baby steps. The important thing is that ya try and keep tryin' 'till it works. If what has been said about good merges bein' a benevolent joining of 2 beings, then it can and must be proven. Take those baby steps. Find a way. If you're an advocate, then find other advocates. Make a little club. Yeah, ya gotta be carefull, but if yer passionate enough about it you'll find the risk worth it. If yer not, then yer just blowin' smoke in here.
| QUOTE (Bitten by the bug) |
| Male rapists, pederasts, abusive husbands and bullies are dead meat walking... Men on the other hand are treasures. I choose which is male and which is man as does any other woman worth her salt. |
Oh, and female rapists and abusive wives are allright?
I wasn't kidding about what I said about my friends before. I don't got many and I'm pretty protective of the ones I got. So be carefull when ya make that call that it ain't a case o' mistaken identity with a trail that leads back t'me. And if it turns out a friend decieved me and is one of these walking wastes of good oxygen, male, female or otherwise, then ya better be able to prove it t'me. I'm a fair ork. I'll give ya the chance t' contact me an' explain before I take matters into my own hands.
I am trying babysteps, I am here am I not??
I've been most reasonable and yet most runners will shoot me on sight when they see me.
Problem is I could be living next door couldn't I? The one with the daughters and a doting husband...
Or the one who is at a bar alone.
Or the one in the group with you, having just finished patching you up, taking the drain because you are filled with cyber, saving your ass for Mantis knows how many times...
I am a fullfledged shaman, I am not a possessed being nor a merge as you call it.
I am Mantis and She is me. Without me, there is no Her, without Her there is no me.
If this forum is any indicator of how meta/humanity is going to react, I prefer to stay in hiding.
I've been most reasonable and yet most runners will shoot me on sight when they see me.
Problem is I could be living next door couldn't I? The one with the daughters and a doting husband...
Or the one who is at a bar alone.
Or the one in the group with you, having just finished patching you up, taking the drain because you are filled with cyber, saving your ass for Mantis knows how many times...
I am a fullfledged shaman, I am not a possessed being nor a merge as you call it.
I am Mantis and She is me. Without me, there is no Her, without Her there is no me.
If this forum is any indicator of how meta/humanity is going to react, I prefer to stay in hiding.
| QUOTE (last_of_the_great_mikeys) | ||
Oh, and female rapists and abusive wives are allright? |
Those are not mine to punish...
| QUOTE |
| I wasn't kidding about what I said about my friends before. I don't got many and I'm pretty protective of the ones I got. So be carefull when ya make that call that it ain't a case o' mistaken identity with a trail that leads back t'me. And if it turns out a friend decieved me and is one of these walking wastes of good oxygen, male, female or otherwise, then ya better be able to prove it t'me. I'm a fair ork. I'll give ya the chance t' contact me an' explain before I take matters into my own hands. |
I rarely make mistakes. Mantis will not allow it. Mindprobe and truth spells prove their guilt.
I do not think that you choose to be amongst these meta/human wastes... I do not think that you are that honorless and evil.
Yeah, yer here. There's one baby step. Now ya gotta take the next. Bring yer pals here. In the end of all these steps ya gotta prove that it is indeed a merge and not a displacement of spirit that makes a good merge mantid. Until that day, it ain't gonna get no better.
I do got a question though. Why are all mantis shamans women?
I do got a question though. Why are all mantis shamans women?
If they wish to be here they will come. I can not make them. I will point them in this direction that is all I can do.
I do not know why. Only that those men that are chosen as Shamans are mostly she'chorne. I know not your words...
I do not know why. Only that those men that are chosen as Shamans are mostly she'chorne. I know not your words...
Great Mikeys, I think you are confused by the difference between a mantis shaman and a woman possessed by a mantis spirit. These are two different things.
A male mantis shaman deserves what he gets. I've never seen one, but I met someone who said her brother had been one.
A woman possessed by a mantis spirit is a beautiful thing. I'd like to spend more time with the last 3 I met.
I've never seen a man walking around who claimed to be possessed by a mantis spirit. Dunno why. That probably makes is safe for me to spend time with those women.
-- Morter
A male mantis shaman deserves what he gets. I've never seen one, but I met someone who said her brother had been one.
A woman possessed by a mantis spirit is a beautiful thing. I'd like to spend more time with the last 3 I met.
I've never seen a man walking around who claimed to be possessed by a mantis spirit. Dunno why. That probably makes is safe for me to spend time with those women.
-- Morter
Good taste? Common sense?
Would you question a sect which has only male shamans? Look at the european totems, Idols hey're called. Moon maiden, Mother the wild man, these are gender specific but you don't question those.
Mantids are clearly matriachal, most men, poisoned with tostesterone don't take well to being submissive to a female, so why would Mantid take as a shaman someone who will not be happy? Totems obviously look for people with whom they share an affinity.
Would you question a sect which has only male shamans? Look at the european totems, Idols hey're called. Moon maiden, Mother the wild man, these are gender specific but you don't question those.
Mantids are clearly matriachal, most men, poisoned with tostesterone don't take well to being submissive to a female, so why would Mantid take as a shaman someone who will not be happy? Totems obviously look for people with whom they share an affinity.
Hmmm. I ain't been to Europe and I dunno what those idol things are. I know names of Native totems and a little about a couple of 'em and I know a tiny bit abiut Wu Jen. But I ain't no mage and I ain't got the training to know all the magic stuff. I know about the mage types I work with and against. So, there's my reason for ignorance about gender specific totems. Of course, I could always slot a chip on the topic...but that's not the same as actually knowing it.
| QUOTE (OurTeam) |
| A woman possessed by a mantis spirit is a beautiful thing. I'd like to spend more time with the last 3 I met. |
I'm sure something could be arranged, for someone showing so open a mind.
| QUOTE (Bitten by the bug) |
| Fifth; Meta/human flesh does NOT taste like chicken... |
Bad pork, most of it, except the mound of venus and the facial muscles.
~J
Wait, I am a llittle confused. Bitten are you saying that all Mantis people (for lack of a better description) are Shamans and have Mantis as your totem.
Or are there two sects, those that have Mantis as a totem, and those that are Mantis walking around in human form.
If so I have a couple of questions based on what was said earlier.
Where does the soul of the person go?
Why does Mantis even want to be here? Hell I was born here and I don't want to be here.
Under what circumstances is it okay to offer a person the swap?
I am just trying to understand as much as I can so I can make an informed decision the next time I run into a Mantid.
Or are there two sects, those that have Mantis as a totem, and those that are Mantis walking around in human form.
If so I have a couple of questions based on what was said earlier.
Where does the soul of the person go?
Why does Mantis even want to be here? Hell I was born here and I don't want to be here.
Under what circumstances is it okay to offer a person the swap?
I am just trying to understand as much as I can so I can make an informed decision the next time I run into a Mantid.
I know a male Mantid Shaman. Small guy, very effininate, but a damn good shaman. Too bad every time a woman talks to him he breaks like a toothpick. But hey, who am I to Judge.
As for Idol worshippers, I follow the Fire-bringer and I would agree that Totems choose thier flocks well. Shamans tend to have similar philosophies with thier totem. If the ideals mesh or build off one another, its likely the totem will choose you to bare its will.
As for Idol worshippers, I follow the Fire-bringer and I would agree that Totems choose thier flocks well. Shamans tend to have similar philosophies with thier totem. If the ideals mesh or build off one another, its likely the totem will choose you to bare its will.
Shadow, there are shamans and there are spirits. The shaman is the link between the material world and the spirits guiding them, much like a rabbi or Priest is the link to the spiritual world for their flock.
No one knows where the soul goes, but that's a given. Some religions say they know where it goes when the soul leaves the body, but that is more for theologists to discuss, not us.
From the reports from people who discussed this with Mantids, the home of the Mantids is badly over populated so they are looking for a little room, like people moving out of the barrens to make a better life for their children. Obviously there is concern to move only a select, special through, or the Mantid would be like a wave of locusts over running the world, more proof of the Mantid's concern for metahumanity and not just being a mindless horror bent of dominantion and conquest.
No one knows where the soul goes, but that's a given. Some religions say they know where it goes when the soul leaves the body, but that is more for theologists to discuss, not us.
From the reports from people who discussed this with Mantids, the home of the Mantids is badly over populated so they are looking for a little room, like people moving out of the barrens to make a better life for their children. Obviously there is concern to move only a select, special through, or the Mantid would be like a wave of locusts over running the world, more proof of the Mantid's concern for metahumanity and not just being a mindless horror bent of dominantion and conquest.
| QUOTE (Bitten by the bug) |
| Those are not mine to punish... |
So the men are yours to punish? That sounds a little vigilante, don't you think? Down right scary, if you think about it. *shudders*
I mean, the Star need some sorta job when they're not lookin' for me, right?
Still. A good quesiton was raised earlier... What if the other bugs died out? What would the Mantids do then? I don't belive it was answered.
I mean... I can see not wanting metahuman flesh, but what about metahuman souls? How would you remedy your little "overpopulation" problem if there wasn't anyone willing to be eaten?
*shrugs* Not that I know so much meat-world drek. The "real world" always seems so fake and dull, so dead...
Right.
-Kitsune
Biscote, tortelleni, ham and cheese on rye. Mantids hunt bugs as an enemy, not as food. Mantids fight for defense of themselves and their broods but like all mothers would be happy to raise their families in peace.
Did Bitten talk to you about an...interview?
Did Bitten talk to you about an...interview?
Interview? Man, I am a busy girl. If it's not on the Matrix...
Oh, and here's something that popped into my head that I thought I'd share:
How many Mantid spirits does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
Two, of course, but only the female leaves...
P34CE 4ND L0V3!
-Kitsune
Oh, and here's something that popped into my head that I thought I'd share:
How many Mantid spirits does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
Two, of course, but only the female leaves...
P34CE 4ND L0V3!
-Kitsune
Kitsune is a good friend of mine, and while her choices are her own, I am inclined to think that she does not in the least desire what you are offering.
~J
"Peace and Love, Incorporated"
~J
"Peace and Love, Incorporated"
You mean the answer to her questions? That's the problem we're looking at. Intelligent people afraid to even talk to Mantids face to face. I'm sure she's your friend now and will be after a 30 minute latte!
Thats what us meta's tend to do. We try to answer each others questions. Its not always that we are afraid to talk to something strange face to face, but a lot of us aren't remotely prepared for it. I mean hasnt your mom ever told you want to wear a jacket, or that you dont want a candy. We look out for each other. Its just out nature. Besides that Mantids are equaly afriad of us, or they would just say, look, I am a Mantid, a merge between spirit and flesh.
Or we could figure this out this way: just take a bunch of you and picket out in front of the Ares Building. If Knight doesnt have you shot, you arent bad bugs.
Oh and Hot Wheels, you asked about not pursicuting Mantid Females, what about Mantid Males? Don't they desirve the same respect?
Or we could figure this out this way: just take a bunch of you and picket out in front of the Ares Building. If Knight doesnt have you shot, you arent bad bugs.
Oh and Hot Wheels, you asked about not pursicuting Mantid Females, what about Mantid Males? Don't they desirve the same respect?
If she decides to go, which is her decision to make, I'm going with her. Just to warn you.
~J
~J
A bit off topic, but I was lookin' through some ol' bug shadowfiles to get more aquainted with the topic and came across Firefly. According to what I been readin', Firefly ain't no predator. In fact, it appears that even Ares accepts that Firefly's not a danger (they still kill 'em, though). What is Mantis' view of Firefly? Any Firefly shamans/merges out there wanna chime in on their totem?
Ya know, after tryin' t'find decent info in the matrix, now I understand a bit better why some deckers never leave the house!
Ya know, after tryin' t'find decent info in the matrix, now I understand a bit better why some deckers never leave the house!
Oooh. Latte?
Uh, I got a question for the mantid ladies out there.
Most shamans don't need nothing but a flick of the wrist to bring the Great Spirit of the City or something like that to our plane.
Mages just need a pile of rocks or a bon fire to get an Elemental
Chummer of mine says he knows a guy who can summon his ancestors as spirits and all he needs is a couple of the guys things.
Then why do you need metas to summon your big spirits? I mean the only other spirits I heard that need something living is blood spirits... and they kinda don't leave the living thing very living afterwards.
Most shamans don't need nothing but a flick of the wrist to bring the Great Spirit of the City or something like that to our plane.
Mages just need a pile of rocks or a bon fire to get an Elemental
Chummer of mine says he knows a guy who can summon his ancestors as spirits and all he needs is a couple of the guys things.
Then why do you need metas to summon your big spirits? I mean the only other spirits I heard that need something living is blood spirits... and they kinda don't leave the living thing very living afterwards.
My best guess is because once summoned, the spirits are perminant in this plane. Most spirits can only stay until sunset or sunrise but Bug spirits linger on. The human hosts are probably there as anchors in this world for the spirits.
The difference between a mantid and a traditional totem is simple. No matter how many spirits he summons once you geek a shaman his spirits vanish at sunset/rise. This means that in terms of a threat they can cause great damage, but it is limited. However, Mantis's can summon countless male spirits forms, and draw their sisters from their metaplane. This means that they can act as nanomachines and according to the gray puddle principle making them a serious threat. Once agin the probelm with mantis as either a shaman or a spirit is that it's thought proccess is inherently inhuman. Look at the other totems/ideals/paths. Adveserary, wolf, etc... All are at least vertebrate animals, and the vast majority are mammals. Therefore, while we may disagree with how they think we can at least understand it and vice versea. In short mantis lady we fear you, because I have no reason to believe you won't eat my head.
Also, what happened to the other occupants of your metaplane that allowed you to over populate it? Were they breakfast and we're lunch?
I admit don't know much about magical mogo from personal experience, but between unlimited matrix access and insomnia, i've read as much material as any mundane can on the subject, so I think my opinions on this subject are valid.
Also, what happened to the other occupants of your metaplane that allowed you to over populate it? Were they breakfast and we're lunch?
I admit don't know much about magical mogo from personal experience, but between unlimited matrix access and insomnia, i've read as much material as any mundane can on the subject, so I think my opinions on this subject are valid.
Doncha mean inherently inhuman?
Bleh. Being human sucks.
Bleh. Being human sucks.
Otaku, exactly, the flesh form is an anchor for the spirit which means it doesn't need the shaman to stay on. which is what makes insects so dangerous and why the psirits can be encounterd in hives without a shaman. Once the hive mother is summoned they don't need the shaman and he she or it ends up as the blue plate special.
More lies. Our shaman still aids Mother, and She her. The agreement that binds them is still intact until the shaman dies or breaks her word.
You speak of the Places as if you see them. Overpopulated? Have you looked at you cities? We are pushed into small corners, beaten back by those who till the Night for stars. We seek this place because this is the Spring, Paradise from which all came. Just because we will not become slaves to you for the journey -only companions- this makes us monsters?
Moon & Oak, Wind and Wood. You know nothing of Avatars, or why they are called Gods. You think because it is a mammal the Wolf will not devour you? Spider, Scorpion, Hawk and Eagle? You eat mammals, snakes, birdz, and all. And then cry foul when something needs your flesh, too?
And when your dead Shaman'z slaves go free and rampage upon the city? Or the elementals of Fire burn your houze to dust?
Twisted truthz; the only thing real is Love.
Mantis need no meat host, she can take two of our kind and bring forth one of hers.
Firefly is no predator? What does this mean? Do you truly think that every Wasp, Beetle, Ant, or Flea is the same? We have as much between us as any simple human. Between my Mother and another, you will find much disagreement. She takes none who do not belong, while another might take any that come along.
You speak of the Places as if you see them. Overpopulated? Have you looked at you cities? We are pushed into small corners, beaten back by those who till the Night for stars. We seek this place because this is the Spring, Paradise from which all came. Just because we will not become slaves to you for the journey -only companions- this makes us monsters?
Moon & Oak, Wind and Wood. You know nothing of Avatars, or why they are called Gods. You think because it is a mammal the Wolf will not devour you? Spider, Scorpion, Hawk and Eagle? You eat mammals, snakes, birdz, and all. And then cry foul when something needs your flesh, too?
And when your dead Shaman'z slaves go free and rampage upon the city? Or the elementals of Fire burn your houze to dust?
Twisted truthz; the only thing real is Love.
Mantis need no meat host, she can take two of our kind and bring forth one of hers.
Firefly is no predator? What does this mean? Do you truly think that every Wasp, Beetle, Ant, or Flea is the same? We have as much between us as any simple human. Between my Mother and another, you will find much disagreement. She takes none who do not belong, while another might take any that come along.
You fail to see my message. Evolutionary, humans and insects diverged much longer ago than humans and wolves. Therefore the actions of the wolf, its brain carriage are closer to human and therefore more understandable. Also, you say we eat meat and they cry foul when someone eats us? I don't cry foul, I cry flame and burn the fucking insect to the ground. Mankind fought and clawed it's way to the top of the food chain and we are damn sure not going to give it up without a fight. Finally, you say our cities are overcrowded? Okay that's true, the difference between us and you is that we aren't fleeing from our metaplanes and subverting others land to spread, you are.
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