Full Version: Hacking: detecting bugs
maybe part of the action is to update your subscriptions with the new address prior to finalizing the command
| QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) | ||
It is not a question whether or not you will loose your connections when changing your hardware's address - you will. |
Why? What says you can't still receive packets with the defunct address that propagate through late? This isn't like wired where the messages still need to be routed down the specific wire to you, this is broadcast and anyone can listen. You keep receiving that until the ID change propagates out to all the subscribers.
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| The only question is whether active subscriptions will automatically be re-established as long as one side keeps it's Access ID... and this seems to be a question of configuration: Good for your Drones, bad while trying to hide your presence.  |
Why can't the change go both ways?
BTW this would be an excellent use of an Agent(4) loaded out with Analyze, Attack program of choice, Spoof(4), and Stealth.
Once per Combat Turn it spoofs a new ID from a list of 15 or random generation or some such source. The second IP is available in case it failed to get 2 net successes. The 3rd IP it then spends running Analyze to check see if anyone has broken into your commlink.
Once per Combat Turn it spoofs a new ID from a list of 15 or random generation or some such source. The second IP is available in case it failed to get 2 net successes. The 3rd IP it then spends running Analyze to check see if anyone has broken into your commlink.
| QUOTE (blakkie) |
| What says you can't still receive packets with the defunct address that propagate through late? |
Oh, you can - just replying won't do anything (unless you want to spoof commands to your own Drone) until you log on again.
Not that wire wouldn't allow listening, too...
| QUOTE (blakkie) |
| This isn't like wired where the messages still need to be routed down the specific wire to you, this is broadcast and anyone can listen. |
In fact, many times there will be routing... as soon as there is no direct connection.
| QUOTE (blakkie) |
| Why can't the change go both ways? |
Both Subscription lists would be wrong, unless you edited both in advance.
| QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Sep 30 2005, 09:21 AM) | ||
Oh, you can - just replying won't do anything (unless you want to spoof commands to your own Drone) until you log on again. Not that wire wouldn't allow listening, too... |
You are missing the part about the notification of the change of address to fix up the addressing tables in that layer.
You don't want to broadcast-notify when spoofing your Access ID - it makes the whole things pretty moot.
| QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Sep 30 2005, 09:51 AM) |
| You don't want to broadcast-notify when spoofing your Access ID - it makes the whole things pretty moot. |
No more broadcast than any other sensitive information.
Welcome to the wireless Matrix.
In fact, more - that would only continue your datatrail and even raise more suspicion than somebody suddenly disappearing.
It is still perfectly possible to prepare Subscription lists in advance and let Drones spoof their Access ID on a timed basis, though.
It is still perfectly possible to prepare Subscription lists in advance and let Drones spoof their Access ID on a timed basis, though.
| QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Sep 30 2005, 09:59 AM) |
| In fact, more - that would only continue your datatrail and even raise more suspicion than somebody suddenly disappearing. |
So every single packet of information that is sent to any device ever is stored forever? This is not data that is addressei to all nodes, this is addressed to a subscriber.
EDIT:...likely over a Encrypted channel, although that doesn't matter that much if it is stored forever as that is just a matter of bringing Decrypting to bear on the data.
Interesting point... given the Storage Space 'Issue' in the new Matrix, you can't be sure.
Better Chance Access ID after dropping out normally.
Better Chance Access ID after dropping out normally.
| QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Sep 30 2005, 10:19 AM) |
| Interesting point... given the Storage Space 'Issue' in the new Matrix, you can't be sure. Better Chance Access ID after dropping out normally. |
But if you don't change ALL the IDs does it matter? Plus if you say someone's name over a voice channel, or you don't alter your voice pattern in a destructive manner, or a million and 1 other senarios. We are talking about storing ALL data that is ever transmitted.
if you change the ID with a normal command, yeah, the change is going to be recorded and broadcast. if you change the ID by hacking it, then no one except your own network is going to be aware of the change. unless someone is specifically looking at your drone(s) when the change occurs, the change will not be noted. not everything that is broadcast will be stored somewhere--stuff like pings, accidental transmissions, etcetera are not going to be recorded (or, if they are, they'll be deleted within an hour or less). you simply disguise your transmission as something other than what it is, and the commands will not be noted by any network.
personally, i don't think it adds anything except unnecessary complexity to assume that the "change ID" operation isn't automatically disguised as something else. 9 times out of 10, anyone who performs that operation is going to want it disguised, so it's easier to assume that it is disguised, and then make a houserule for when you don't want it to be disguised.
personally, i don't think it adds anything except unnecessary complexity to assume that the "change ID" operation isn't automatically disguised as something else. 9 times out of 10, anyone who performs that operation is going to want it disguised, so it's easier to assume that it is disguised, and then make a houserule for when you don't want it to be disguised.
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