caramel frappucino
Oct 18 2005, 08:19 PM
So I was flipping through a copy of Corporate Download and for some reason, it says that corporate vehicles are not officially considered extraterritorial by the government. My question is, why not? As long as the transport vehicle bears the corporate logo and is actually owned by the corporation, I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be considered sovereign.
Anybody know?
Velocity
Oct 18 2005, 08:23 PM
IRL, a nation's military vehicles do not constitute sovereign territory.
SL James
Oct 18 2005, 08:30 PM
Their diplomatic vehicles are, which is the nearest analogy.
And they are extraterritorial. See the example about Mercury Express on pp.14-15.
caramel frappucino
Oct 18 2005, 08:34 PM
IIRC, the Mercury delivery vehicles aren't extraterritorial per se - they're just exempt from import/export laws.
Velocity
Oct 18 2005, 08:41 PM
QUOTE (SL James) |
Their diplomatic vehicles are, which is the nearest analogy.
And they are extraterritorial. See the example about Mercury transport or shipping or something, an Ares subsidiary. |
You think that an Ares transport truck is analogous to a diplomat's limo? *shrug* Okay, if that analogy seems reasonable to you then sure--corporate vehicles are extraterritorial. It wouldn't fly in my campaign, but that's moot.
hyzmarca
Oct 18 2005, 08:52 PM
If the vehicle is carrying Damian Knight then it is extraterritorial.
A vehicle can be considered extraterritorial properity if it is part of a diplomatic mission and/or it is carrying a diplomat or a head of state.
RunnerPaul
Oct 18 2005, 10:50 PM
QUOTE (hyzmarca) |
A vehicle can be considered extraterritorial properity if it is part of a diplomatic mission and/or it is carrying a diplomat or a head of state. |
I don't know what you're talking about, I am a part of the Corporate Court, on a diplomatic mission to Athabaskan.
You are part of the Shadowrunner Alliance, and a TRAITOR! Take her away!
ShadowDragon8685
Oct 18 2005, 11:43 PM
QUOTE (RunnerPaul) |
QUOTE (hyzmarca) | A vehicle can be considered extraterritorial properity if it is part of a diplomatic mission and/or it is carrying a diplomat or a head of state. |
I don't know what you're talking about, I am a part of the Corporate Court, on a diplomatic mission to Athabaskan.
You are part of the Shadowrunner Alliance, and a TRAITOR! Take her away!
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hyzmarca
Oct 19 2005, 12:09 AM
QUOTE (RunnerPaul @ Oct 18 2005, 05:50 PM) |
QUOTE (hyzmarca) | A vehicle can be considered extraterritorial properity if it is part of a diplomatic mission and/or it is carrying a diplomat or a head of state. |
I don't know what you're talking about, I am a part of the Corporate Court, on a diplomatic mission to Athabaskan.
You are part of the Shadowrunner Alliance, and a COMMIE MUTANT TRAITOR! Take her away!
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Fixed
Nath
Oct 19 2005, 09:06 PM
Megacorporate extraterritoriality is not an extension of diplomatic extraterritoriality. It's a completely different set of rules, that happen to give similar privileges.
Diplomatic extraterritoriality applies only to assets used for diplomatic representation, be it a building or a vehicle. It does not apply to any assets owned by a foreign state. Things like "Cultural institutes" are not extraterritorial, nor are the estates owned by reigning royal families, or foreign branches of state-owned companies.
Megacorporate extraterritoriality applies to every long-term facilities of megacorporation, if proprely delimitated and labelled. There's no requirement as to the purpose of the facility. Vehicle does not benefit from extraterritoriality because it is considered that their very ability to move prevent them rom being 'long-term' in the intended meaning.
Eyeless Blond
Oct 19 2005, 09:42 PM
QUOTE (hyzmarca) |
QUOTE (RunnerPaul @ Oct 18 2005, 05:50 PM) | QUOTE (hyzmarca) | A vehicle can be considered extraterritorial properity if it is part of a diplomatic mission and/or it is carrying a diplomat or a head of state. |
I don't know what you're talking about, I am a part of the Corporate Court, on a diplomatic mission to Athabaskan.
You are part of the Shadowrunner Alliance, and a COMMIE MUTANT TRAITOR! Take her away!
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Yeah, but that kinda ruins the part where the guy saying the bolded section has a cyberarm, is a powerful Mystic Adept with a wicked telekinetic manipulation geased to making a choking motion with his hand, and is wearing a black environment suit.
Who's your daddy now?
nick012000
Oct 19 2005, 11:40 PM
QUOTE (Eyeless Blond) |
QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Oct 18 2005, 04:09 PM) | QUOTE (RunnerPaul @ Oct 18 2005, 05:50 PM) | QUOTE (hyzmarca) | A vehicle can be considered extraterritorial properity if it is part of a diplomatic mission and/or it is carrying a diplomat or a head of state. |
I don't know what you're talking about, I am a part of the Corporate Court, on a diplomatic mission to Athabaskan.
You are part of the Shadowrunner Alliance, and a COMMIE MUTANT TRAITOR! Take her away!
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Yeah, but that kinda ruins the part where the guy saying the bolded section has a cyberarm, is a powerful Mystic Adept with a wicked telekinetic manipulation geased to making a choking motion with his hand, and is wearing a black environment suit. Who's your daddy now? |
Cyberarm, a pair of cyberlegs, and low-grade move-by-wire (Vader broke his neck at some point, as can be seen in the skeleton scene when he gets electrocuted by Palpatine).
Dog
Oct 21 2005, 12:30 AM
Extraterritoriality with vehicles doesn't make a whole lot of sense in most cases, I think. I can't see the corp-court allowing it.
"Hey, you let my Ares van into your Mitsuhama compound. If I choose to detonate a nuke inside my extraterritorial van, that's my business."
Or more to the point, what about couriers? Taxis and limos? Delivery vehicles? If I drive my vehicle into your compound, do I follow your rules, my own, or both? It gets too cumbersome.
Not that it couldn't happen, but I think it'd be the exception, not the rule.
hobgoblin
Oct 21 2005, 12:44 AM
basicly the vehicle isnt extrateritorial, but the content is diplomatic of nature and therefor off limits
hmm, i recall a old thread about this where someone said that soviet russia ones tried to ship a whole tractor as diplomatic mail.
hmm, tag the content of the truck as diplomatic stuff and then send along a detatchment of corp security. or is the contry its passing thru required to make sure it gets to its destination with the seal intact?
Nikoli
Oct 21 2005, 12:50 AM
hobgoblin, most likely a little of both.
hobgoblin
Oct 21 2005, 01:08 AM
well if its ares doing some shipment im guessing that its corp sec watching the shipment and national security watching the ares troops. or any other corp for that matter
hmm, thats a nice mission impossible kinda run. corp x got some shipment going by land or sea (something about air freight not being able to handle the weight or whatever), watched over by sec forces. runners task is to get in the and find out what they are shipping. all this while nations all along the route are watching closely so that nothing bad happens on their watch
RunnerPaul
Oct 21 2005, 01:13 AM
QUOTE (Dog @ Oct 20 2005, 07:30 PM) |
"Hey, you let my Ares van into your Mitsuhama compound. If I choose to detonate a nuke inside my extraterritorial van, that's my business." |
I agree wholeheartedly. But once the blast escapes the confines of the van, it becomes our problem. So even though you've got your "Don't come a-knockin' if the nuke's timer is tick-tockin'" bumpersticker on, forgive us if our security guards want assurances from the Ares personel inside the van that you'll be able to keep the effects inside as well.
ShadowDragon8685
Oct 21 2005, 02:12 AM
Why does that remind me (giggling like an idiot), of the fake VW Polo comercial that was going around?
Nath
Oct 21 2005, 09:02 PM
From the moment that the nuclear explosive device is armed with a timed detonator at the initiative of the responsible corporate authority, the vehicle that contains it is clearly not intended to be a "long-term facility", in the intended meaning. Moreover, the said vehicle does not have the delimitations and labels made necessary by laws for extraterritoriality to apply and able to resist to expected and predictable conditions of temperature and pressure in the area.
SL James
Oct 21 2005, 10:32 PM
QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Oct 20 2005, 08:12 PM) |
Why does that remind me (giggling like an idiot), of the fake VW Polo comercial that was going around? |
Yeah... "fake." It just happened to be of a really good production quality.
QUOTE (RunnerPaul) |
QUOTE (Dog @ Oct 20 2005, 07:30 PM) | "Hey, you let my Ares van into your Mitsuhama compound. If I choose to detonate a nuke inside my extraterritorial van, that's my business." |
I agree wholeheartedly. But once the blast escapes the confines of the van, it becomes our problem. So even though you've got your "Don't come a-knockin' if the nuke's timer is tick-tockin'" bumpersticker on, forgive us if our security guards want assurances from the Ares personel inside the van that you'll be able to keep the effects inside as well.
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Which was the explanation in RA:S.
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