I searched but got allot of hits about imp invis v. Sec cameras, but not this.

Say A Mage has a Street Sam brother who like melee combat. They trust each other explicitly, so the mage gives his brother a sustaining focus to sustain imp invis on him, and his brother knows not to loose it (he duct tapes it to his chest to be safe), and the mage keeps on himself. They have a beef with the halloweeners and, safely under the effect of improved invis, decide to knock off some halloweener lieutenants who are hanging out on Their street making trouble. The particularly bloodthirsty Sammie wants to cut the gangers to ribbons with his trusty katana, himself, and asks his brother to hold back watch his hide.

The gangers are largely mooks, and none pierce the illusion as the sammie walks up and casually starts cutting them down, so I have begun to wonder if the surviving gagers should get additional resistance tests (if so, how often?) and a lower TN (if so, how much?) because the illusion is "harder" to believe/sustain. You just can't ignore the evidence, your 3 buddies just got slashed apart, but if you fail the first resistance test, is that it? You are forever fooled by the illusion sans some other magical intervention?

I think I'm going to rule that if someone (who has resisted the illusion) points out to you that you are being fooled by an illusion you get another chance to resist it, and perhaps at a lower TN if the illusion is becoming harder to believe (ie, your 3 friends got chopped open in a way surprisingly reminiscent of an Ork with a Katana).

There is a difference between knowing that someone is using invisibility and seeing someone who is. They'll know that an invisible something is killing their friends and be able to react accordingly but they won't be able to see it. They will, however, be able to utilize searching and suppresie fire against it.

I agree with hyzmarca. Knowing somebody is invisible, even touching them, will not allow you to see them. You can however act knowing they are there, this could include searching and suppressive fire or (if your smart) running away

Edward

What you are proposing is some sort of "I DISBELIEVE" knee-jerk reaction to an illusion.

Something invisible attacked me once. I started shooting like crazy, making my best guess as to the source. "Blind Fire" it is called, someone give me a modifier here. +8?

As for an attempt to actually peirce through the illusion and see the sammie, you'd have to make a willpower save or some shit and this game don't got none of those, chummer. Doesn't matter how hard you squint- you can't see mana.

I'd say blind fire modifiers all around! Blind fire modifiers for everyone! Merry christmas!

P.S. What's the target number to shoot yourself in the head? Called shot. Blind fire. +12?

ahhh...

This is why they make sealed security armour & & gas grenades.

Just pull the pin & drop it at your feet.

It does seem kinda bizzare to me. This makes Invis even more powerful than I thought. It also seems out of place in a system that prides itself on degrees of success, nearly any spellcaster should be throwing many more dice at a TN 4 than any average person could even hope to use to resist.

Am I conceptualizing this wrong, or do the Gangers in my example have simply No chance?

There are ways of dealing with invisible people. Ultrasound scopes being one of the more expedient, vehicle sensors (which include ultrasound and radar) being another. Improved Invisiblity is hardly an automatic win. Especially when grenades and other area-effect explosives are so easily available.

True, but as often as you can use a confined space to limit the invisible character, that same character will be positioning himself to act in open spaces and maximize his advantage. For someone not important enough for major magical security, who must eventually leave their enclave, how can they deal with an invis asassin? It seems for situations like a streetfight or barbrawl, invis is a huge advantage.

You can’t mask your existence. Only your nature

If you masked the invis spell you would be invisible on the material and look like a normal person on the astral, this inconsistency creates the conclusion that you are an invisible initiate with masking.

Edward