Zolhex
Jan 20 2006, 10:53 PM
Ok so a real steak is considered a luxury in Shadowrun but what else should be considered top of the line food?
Hehe just finished making and eating a 4 cheese 3 meat 4 egg omelet while eating it this thought on food in Shadowrun hit me.
Add to that I was looking at the box of candy bars across the room and well there ya go for my top 5 choices.
Now on to the dragon while this could be considered a luxury food item as well as other things. (magic types would love some dragon parts I would think)
There is the problem of getting said items from a dragon so that alone says to me high end food items.
The problem comes in not getting caught kind of like eating humans today it will more than likely make you hunted by the dragons themselves.
Something I don't think anyone would want to have happen to them.
As for other awakened animals well most of them I would think you could hunt with at best minor problems.
Those problems would only more than likely come from animal rights people so no big deal unless in 2070 the animal rights people are doing more than just talking about how it is not right.
As for meta-humans and humans I do believe they are still considered a taboo food item to most of the world even in 2070 heck look at the fuss over feeding ghouls.
Other just what it says you pick it and given time I am sure someone will on these boards will point out the down side from trying to eat and/or drink that item.
So anyway have fun with this idea and lets see what everyone thinks heck it may be something that gm's can use as payment on some runs or at least partial payment anyways.
blakkie
Jan 20 2006, 10:56 PM
"Food Item From A Dragon"? Ya that has status, and the status is "dead".
mfb
Jan 20 2006, 11:00 PM
real fruit.
Zolhex
Jan 20 2006, 11:07 PM
LOL

Blakkie I did say there were dangers to eatting dragons hehe.
MFB ahh fruit yep your right there that I did forget good thought on your part.
MK Ultra
Jan 20 2006, 11:39 PM
I voted for "other", while there may be status in eating dragons, metahumans and other sentients, I´d think most people don´t want to do that. Yakashima is hunting for Big D´s bequest on human synth flesh for ghouls and wants to open a nevoux-canibalism market with it, but this niche is only so big, so, don´t count on that being the big status thing. However, Oricalcum will be (if it is save to consume) just as gold is today. Tastes of nothing its only for the decadence of it!
PBTHHHHT
Jan 21 2006, 12:05 AM
speaking of food and such...
http://www.enn.com/today.html?id=9708Giant jellyfish invasion in the japanese waters are causing a havoc upon the japanese fishing industry. What's hilarious is that this infestation is also in korean and in chinese waters. The koreans are also having problems with the jellyfish... funny enough, no problems by the chinese. Of course, we like jellyfish so it's all good.

That aside, awakened jellyfish will be a notch higher than regular giant jellyfish cuisine. yum!
Fix-it
Jan 21 2006, 12:23 AM
QUOTE |
Food Item For A Dragon |
Fixed.
But seriously, I would guess meats, as they take the most land area to grow. Awakened Meats x 3.
BishopMcQ
Jan 21 2006, 01:36 AM
Real chocolate could become a rare commodity, the land around them alone could have gone wild or awakened...
**wanders off to plan the next "shadowrun into the jungles to gather a rare chocolate bean" quest**
Mr.Platinum
Jan 21 2006, 02:18 AM
SOY, lots and lots of soy!
Brahm
Jan 21 2006, 03:52 AM
Another vote for fruit. Nothing says decadence like a variety bowl of incredibily expensive fruit replaced every day sitting in the foyer on the off chance that once a week someone will nibble a kumquat.
Brahm
Jan 21 2006, 03:57 AM
The most expensive fruit of course to buy would be unsalted California Oranges. *giggle*
SL James
Jan 21 2006, 04:52 AM
QUOTE (McQuillan @ Jan 20 2006, 07:36 PM) |
Real chocolate could become a rare commodity, the land around them alone could have gone wild or awakened...
**wanders off to plan the next "shadowrun into the jungles to gather a rare chocolate bean" quest** |
!!
Have you not seen what happened to Ghana and Brazil in SR?
Oh, and the orange groves should be fine. It's not like the basin has kept many commercial orange groves in the last century.
BishopMcQ
Jan 21 2006, 05:53 AM
I've seen what happens to Brazil, but not Africa which IIRC is where most of the chocolate comes from.
Zolhex
Jan 21 2006, 06:42 AM
QUOTE (Fix-it) |
QUOTE | Food Item For A Dragon |
Fixed. But seriously, I would guess meats, as they take the most land area to grow. Awakened Meats x 3. |
hehe yes food item FOR a dragon could get ya status or something! thing is do ya want it? lol
Chocolate and awakened animals seem to be getting a good following. McQuillan that is just wrong to send runners after some coco beans hehe I like it.
Hehe how about some chocolate covered awakened animals?
AS for you Mr.Platinum I here by ban you from this topic (joking) you nasty soy lover hehe.
Well PBTHHHHT this is interesting awakened jellyfish??? Sorry but that just seems too slimy too me to wanna put it in my mouth.
Hey keep posting your ideas so far this has been a fun read I hope others are having fun reading it as well.
Grinder
Jan 21 2006, 08:21 AM
Soylent Green!
Nah, i voted for real meat - if it includes vat grown meat a well.
LaughingTiger
Jan 21 2006, 08:56 AM
Firstly,
QUOTE |
just finished making and eating a 4 cheese 3 meat 4 egg omelet while eating it this thought on food in Shadowrun hit me.... |
Jesus Christ, that is a monster omlet.
Good job!
If you look at foods today, all of the "status symbol" foods are meat based. The most expensive food you can purchase is from an animal in one form or another.
Expensive parties are set apart by the food offered. Think of the ones you expect: Caviar, especially anything Russian. Foie Gras, the liver of a force-fed goose, so high in fat it melts like butter. Veal, as so eloquently put by by
Krug. Quail Eggs, blowfish, excessively priced Kobe Beef.. the list goes on and on.
In the dystopian Shadowrun future of soy and krill, the desire for and cost of these items will only increase. Really, it's not just the foods, but the entire cuisine that determines status. In the culinary world, that's been French for quite some time. Even if Japanese takes over, the rare and prime cuts ("sushi grade") of fish required still puts this firmly in the realm of meat.
There are other items closer in cost to those above, like black and white truffles, the "diamonds of the kitchen" and saffron, along with other spices. But these anomalies can't rival with the excessive prices charged for meat products.
fistandantilus4.0
Jan 21 2006, 09:27 AM
other: real alcohol (excluding moon shine)
RunnerPaul
Jan 21 2006, 09:36 AM
QUOTE (LaughingTiger) |
the list goes on and on |
For example
Kopi Lowak Coffee, which is rare and expensive because it consists of coffee beans that have passed through the digestive tract of the tree-dwelling Palm Civet.
Ancient History
Jan 21 2006, 03:41 PM
Ork cuisine. Who knew so many insects were edible?
Aku
Jan 21 2006, 04:00 PM
I voted other, because i see "real" anything being relatively rare en-masse, to the point that only mid-high execs only ever see low grade "real", ya know, like a T-bone steak, or a filet of Haddock.
Grinder
Jan 21 2006, 04:15 PM
What's with all the vat-grown stuff, isn't it real? More real then soyfood at least?
Zolhex
Jan 21 2006, 05:59 PM
Grinder: Vat grown foods could work the real question is just what is the whole process involved to make vat grown foods?
Is it close enough to real that there is no difference between the two or is the taste off?
LaughingTiger: hehe thanks I do love my creations I also make what I call ultimate cheese burgers which calls for american, provolone, mozzarella, white chedder, and swiss cheeses you get all 5 on one burger between in my case 2 slices of bread but you can have a bun if you want hehe.
I have other things I make as well but this is not a food site so i'll leave it at what i've posted.
as to meats being rare items today you do have a point meats are useally the most expensive.
fistandantilus3.0: hum you think real alcohol is gone in SR? Something like alcohol I would think would still be around.
Maybe a little more costly but not on the level of other things we take for granted nowadays. but that is just my thoughts anyone else have an opinion on this one?
RunnerPaul: I always knew there was a reason coffee tasted like shit to me.
Ancient History: eww bugs? or am I reading your post wrong and your saying orks are good?
To which I say ok and ask is there a certian part of orks that is better than the rest? Ya know like monkey brains today?
Aku: I wouldn't say real so expensive that the average person can't get it just that they only get it once in awhile kinda like lots of people do today.
I had a character who after a run would if possible go out to eat at a nice place as a treat to himself.
Ancient History
Jan 21 2006, 06:39 PM
QUOTE (Casazil) |
Ancient History: eww bugs? or am I reading your post wrong and your saying orks are good? |
Never went to the Ork Embassy on Council Island, eh?
Da9iel
Jan 21 2006, 06:44 PM
QUOTE (Casazil @ Jan 21 2006, 11:59 AM) |
LaughingTiger: hehe thanks I do love my creations I also make what I call ultimit cheese bugers which calls for american, provolone, mozzarella, white chedder, and swiss cheeses you get all 5 on one buger between in my case 2 slices of bread but you can have a bun if you want hehe. |
Eww! Bugers! Is that a variant spelling of boogers? Perhaps you meant burgers.
But with enough cheese. . . .

Oh, and of course
the fireball seals in the deep roasted flavor.
Zolhex
Jan 21 2006, 08:42 PM
QUOTE (Ancient History) |
QUOTE (Casazil @ Jan 21 2006, 05:59 PM) | Ancient History: eww bugs? or am I reading your post wrong and your saying orks are good? |
Never went to the Ork Embassy on Council Island, eh?
|
hehe only in the sega game and I don't remember them offering food in the game lol.
Da9iel: yes I meant burgers my bad on spelling hehe fireball roasted ultimate cheese burgers sounds good.
PBTHHHHT
Jan 21 2006, 09:08 PM
Hey Casazil, just go to a chinese restaurant (I know cantonese style ones will likely have it) and look for jellyfish in the appetizer part of the menu. Mind you, you have to go to a REAL chinese restaurant. Try it, it's not bad.
nick012000
Jan 21 2006, 09:23 PM
Ralph Wiggum: It tastes like burning...
hobgoblin
Jan 21 2006, 10:55 PM
it all boils down to how dystopian a feel you want to give the game. more dystopian, more WW2 style food solutions (acorn coffe anyone?) for the masses.
Fix-it
Jan 21 2006, 11:09 PM
Soylent green is
people.
BookWyrm
Jan 22 2006, 12:42 AM
Soy-based foods exist now, but a a little bland for my tastes.
Take a look at what's available now, anything beyond your immediate price range (like say a $200 steak), and that becomes the rarity. Since it's cheaper & more cost effective to produce soy-based or synthetic-recreations of 'real' food, this would drive prices of 'non-synthetic' foods up. Go to your local "high-end" restaurant, check the prices, then multiply that by 100 & convert to nuyen.
Grinder
Jan 22 2006, 10:40 AM
A frined of mine lives vegan and she buys a lot of soy-stuff, but for much less money. She just bought a package of small steaks (~500 grams all together) for 6€.
Aku
Jan 22 2006, 04:06 PM
well, this is coming from SR3, but it isnt until a middle life style that you really get into "real" food, which i would assume means the cheaper stuff (high fat content ground beef, cheaper fish, pork, etc) and the High lifestyle starts getting you into the better grades of beef. Basically, at a middle life style, you occassionally eat at the '70's equivalent to Taco Bell or McD's
BookWyrm
Jan 22 2006, 10:06 PM
True, Aku, but even they might use flavor-simulated soybeef as an alternative. As the old commercials used to say, "parts is parts".
Aku
Jan 22 2006, 11:26 PM
Ya, i'm not arguing that beef flavored soy isn't used (we have it today, and im pretty sure it's better tasting than it is now in the '70s) but, thats still a soyproduct, not "real" beef, chesse, or whatever
DragginSPADE
Jan 23 2006, 12:12 AM
Put my Other vote down for fruit as well.
Grinder
Jan 23 2006, 05:31 AM
QUOTE (Aku) |
Ya, i'm not arguing that beef flavored soy isn't used (we have it today, and im pretty sure it's better tasting than it is now in the '70s) but, thats still a soyproduct, not "real" beef, chesse, or whatever |
Sure, but who in the 2070's can tell the difference?
Zolhex
Jan 23 2006, 05:37 AM
QUOTE (Grinder) |
Sure, but who in the 2070's can tell the difference? |
hehe those who are illergic to soy can I would bet.
LaughingTiger
Jan 23 2006, 09:39 AM
I imagine it's like any high-end food product now, with an "elite" group of consumers who swear on their mother's graves they can tell the difference between a Chateu d'Beouf 1945 and a ten-dollar bottle of wine.
Ok, maybe that's a little extreme, but you know what I mean.
BookWyrm
Jan 26 2006, 01:15 AM
I know exactly what you mean, Tiger. I've known a few of those 'elite', and I've been witness to at least one takedown. The look on their faces, while not the exagerated comedic style expected, was still worth it.
But beware of the ones who do the spit-take. It ain't pretty.
Zolhex
Jan 26 2006, 01:27 AM
hey PBTHHHHT like 2 days ago I was reading stuff on the net saw a story on giant jellyfish.
I swear I felt like I was gonna die laughing cause I had your comment on jellyfish resurface in my mind as I started to read it.
stevebugge
Jan 26 2006, 05:21 PM
My other vote goes for real coffee. Real coffee is grown in Hawaii, South and Central America, Southeast Asia, East Africa, and a few places in the Caribean and South Pacific. In the Various Shadows of books most of these places are either awakened nightmares or war zones.
exolasher
Jan 26 2006, 06:18 PM
SinFood!
(name coz of my real nick ^_^)
Your eating nutritious soyfood but you perceive it as if it is the best meal you ve ever tasted!
All thanks to recorded DRM protected taste SimSinTM (even available as BTL) which contains the experience of a life time. It s saved in a RFID tag on the package or streamed on a subscription basis.
You could even eat things like Uyglar chewing gum!
it s so umami that u ll never wanna eat something else
TeOdio
Jan 27 2006, 06:07 AM
QUOTE (McQuillan) |
Real chocolate could become a rare commodity, the land around them alone could have gone wild or awakened...
**wanders off to plan the next "shadowrun into the jungles to gather a rare chocolate bean" quest** |
Lung Han
Feb 3 2006, 09:29 AM
Maybe that has already been said but I'd vote for real and FRESH Fruits.
Is there anything better than fresh and cooled Oranges after your Real and fresh Angus-Beefsteak?
Angelstandings
Feb 3 2006, 06:54 PM
Meat from:
Nagas, Thunderbirds, and of course young Dragons.
The kind of stuff that you can only eat if you know someone who caught it himself, like a big game hunter type. The fact that it may be illegal to do so only heightens the decadent flavor.
imperialus
Feb 8 2006, 10:44 PM
Ok so assuming soy as a baseline next up on the food chain would be cerial grains like wheat, oats ect. These grains can be grown almost anywhere and produce a lot per acre. They'd be more expencive than now but still well within the means of most lower middle class families.
Next up would be real meat. Although cattle, swine and chickens and the like do take conciderable land area to support they can be raised just about anywhere, from subarctic to subtropical climates. I'd see fresh meat being more of a "treat" dish. You get a steak on your B-day, a ham at X-mas ect. Expencive sure, but not out of reach and most supermarkets in middle class areas would still have a small meat department. Preserved meat would be much less expencive just like now. *edit* meat also includes the various meat byproducts we find, you know the stuff vegans won't eat like cheese, milk, eggs ect. */edit*
Next up would be (some) fresh fruits and veg. Stuff like apples, oranges, broccoli, and the like. Speaking as a Canadian most of our fresh fruits and veg come up from the southern states which due to NAFTA and other ways of getting across the boarder quickly and inexpencively. Due to the Balkanization of North America transporting these foods could get much more difficult. Like with meat frozen and canned vegtables would be conciderabley more reasonable.
The most expencive foods would be the ones that can only be grown in tropical areas just due to the fact that it's almost impossible to trade with the tropical "nations". Bannanas, coffee (at least arabica), cane suger, peppers, most spices, chocolate, vanilla, the list goes on. Food like this would be the real luxury items. First of all most of it provides no real nutritional value and stuff like suger, chocolate, and vanilla can be easally simulated.
I suppose meat from wierd awakened animals like dragons and the like would be more expencive but I'm just not sure there would really be a market for it.
Grinder
Feb 8 2006, 10:46 PM
QUOTE (imperialus) |
Next up would be real meat. Although cattle, swine and chickens and the like do take conciderable land area to support they can be raised just about anywhere, from subarctic to subtropical climates. |
Don't forget the vat-grown meat. Imo it makes meat available to at least the Middle Class in NA and Europe and that's a big market.
stevebugge
Feb 8 2006, 10:56 PM
QUOTE (imperialus) |
Ok so assuming soy as a baseline next up on the food chain would be cerial grains like wheat, oats ect. These grains can be grown almost anywhere and produce a lot per acre. They'd be more expencive than now but still well within the means of most lower middle class families.
Next up would be real meat. Although cattle, swine and chickens and the like do take conciderable land area to support they can be raised just about anywhere, from subarctic to subtropical climates. I'd see fresh meat being more of a "treat" dish. You get a steak on your B-day, a ham at X-mas ect. Expencive sure, but not out of reach and most supermarkets in middle class areas would still have a small meat department. Preserved meat would be much less expencive just like now. *edit* meat also includes the various meat byproducts we find, you know the stuff vegans won't eat like cheese, milk, eggs ect. */edit*
Next up would be (some) fresh fruits and veg. Stuff like apples, oranges, broccoli, and the like. Speaking as a Canadian most of our fresh fruits and veg come up from the southern states which due to NAFTA and other ways of getting across the boarder quickly and inexpencively. Due to the Balkanization of North America transporting these foods could get much more difficult. Like with meat frozen and canned vegtables would be conciderabley more reasonable.
The most expencive foods would be the ones that can only be grown in tropical areas just due to the fact that it's almost impossible to trade with the tropical "nations". Bannanas, coffee (at least arabica), cane suger, peppers, most spices, chocolate, vanilla, the list goes on. Food like this would be the real luxury items. First of all most of it provides no real nutritional value and stuff like suger, chocolate, and vanilla can be easally simulated.
I suppose meat from wierd awakened animals like dragons and the like would be more expencive but I'm just not sure there would really be a market for it. |
Which would explain the smuggling market going strong in the 2070's. All of this stuff can probably be purchased at low cost somewhere, and then be sold at a considerable profit in other parts of the world. While any of it can be shipped more economically in bulk by a large corp, those corps shipping legitimately still have to pay tariffs, duties, port fees, and possibly territorial transit fees. The smuggler can avoid all those fees. There will be cases where the difference in not paying the fees and the higher cost of transportation may not make it profitable.
Shrike30
Feb 9 2006, 12:06 AM
Fruit. You can grow "real" meat in a vat, see...
MK Ultra
Feb 9 2006, 03:09 PM
Maibee there are vat-fruit, too? shouldn´t be that hard, only lower quality compared to the real job, just like with meat.
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