ReneF
Mar 3 2006, 02:40 AM
Hey all,
I'm just curious if anyone has an idea about whats the political landscape of South America is in SR. The main thing I am wondering about is Brazil and Amazonia; does Brazil still exist in SR?
I always thought that Brazil still existed as a sovereign state but it only existed along the coastal regions but after reading the Hualpa section of Dragons of the Sixth World it made it sound that the whole of Brazil was conquered.
Can anybody explain the current situation for me?
stevebugge
Mar 3 2006, 02:45 AM
My take was that Rio & Sao Paulo were part of Amazonia, but still operated pretty much as they were under the Brazilian Goverment. The rest of the country is an awakened nation that tends to be anti development.
Ancient History
Mar 3 2006, 02:54 AM
It'll be covered in Shadows of Latin America, which will be released for free from Holostreets, whenever that goes up.
fistandantilus4.0
Mar 3 2006, 05:32 AM
there's a little bit of info on Rio in one of the SOTA books . '64 IIRC.
And Novatech/Neonet does a lot of business there. Other than that, the only other canon reference I can think of off the top of my head with anything useful is Survival of the Fittest.
Synner
Mar 3 2006, 12:11 PM
Brazil is no more, it has become the Awakened nation of Amazonia. How that came to pass is partially detailed in Dragons of the Sixth World (under Hualpa naturally). Amazonia has also wholly taken over or occupied chunks of various neighbors. It now controls Guyana, Venezuela, Suriname and about half of Colombia to the north. Peru is still around but the remaining Western and Southern borders are unknown although canon references exist to Bolivia, Argentina and Chile (in SOTAs, T:WL and T:AL). French Guyana is also still holding out (various sources but primarily Wake of the Comet). Sprawl Survival Guide has an entry on the Metropole megasprawl linking Rio and São Paulo. Harlequin, Predator and Prey and Survival of the Fittest all feature adventures set in Amazonia and offer details about what to expect in the wilder parts of the territory. Some additional information can be found in the Underworld sourcebook (under Ghost Cartels).
Shadows of Latin America was meant to provide the overall picture of Latin America in 2064 and includes chapters on Amazonia, Argentina, Aztlan, Bolivia, Carribbean League, Chile, Equador and Paraguay as well as a catch-all chapter for the remaining disputed territories, free cities and micronations (yes, including an update of the Yucatan situation).
Blue eyes
Mar 20 2006, 09:20 AM
Could we plz have an update when we can xpect the online document release of the Shadows of Latin America from Holostreets?
Demonseed Elite
Mar 20 2006, 03:21 PM
I wish I knew, personally.
Perssek
Mar 23 2006, 03:53 PM
Me, I´m brazilian (as you can see from my crappy english), and most of my campaigns (in ANY RPG, excepting, of course published fantasy) are played in here, whenever it´s possible. I did it once for SR, but I assumed that the nation of Amazonia was composed only by the amazonian forest (including the northern states of Para, Amazonas, Acre, Maranhao, Tocantins and Mato Grosso), leaving the rest of the territory to be Brazil. Of course, none of this is official, and even the 2nd ed. BBB says that the whole country was taken by the awakened coalision, but I don´t know.
I hope SoSA can fill in the blanks.
Paul
Mar 23 2006, 05:10 PM
Imagine how crappy my Portuguese is, since here in America we make you damn foreigners learn English, but we can't be bothered to learn "your" languages. Heh. (I am trying to learn Spanish, but since my hearing is a little impaired after my days with Uncle Sam's Misguided Children-well let's just say I won't be passing for a native speaker anytime soon.)
MITJA3000+
Mar 23 2006, 06:19 PM
QUOTE (Paul) |
Imagine how crappy my Portuguese is, since here in America we make you damn foreigners learn English, but we can't be bothered to learn "your" languages. Heh. (I am trying to learn Spanish, but since my hearing is a little impaired after my days with Uncle Sam's Misguided Children-well let's just say I won't be passing for a native speaker anytime soon.) |
^
This is totally off-topic, but right you are. What seriously pisses me off is american tourists that we unfortunately get sometimes here in Helsinki, bitchin "these damn backward nations can't even speak english well enough to please my fat ass." A big fuck you to them.
This is of course generalization, we do get nice tourists also, and I'm not saying that all americans are stupid, selfcentered assholes.
Sorry, needed to get that off my chest.
Platinum
Mar 23 2006, 07:20 PM
Ha .... the nice ones are actually Canadians mistaken for Americans.
My wife written out many traits that you can use as a guide for a game called spot the American. (a brilliant piece of satire)
Closer to back on topic, what dragons have setup their lair's in SA?
stevebugge
Mar 23 2006, 07:30 PM
Hualpa definitely
Sirrurg likely
Synner
Mar 23 2006, 07:50 PM
There were allegedly three greats involved in the Amazonian uprising. Hualpa is certain, Sirrug is a probable and the third is a mystery (although SoLA had more on that iirc).
fistandantilus4.0
Mar 24 2006, 05:58 AM
why do you taunt us so!?!?
Grinder
Mar 24 2006, 09:10 AM
Who cares anyway? Sometimes too much is not good.
fistandantilus4.0
Mar 24 2006, 09:39 AM
this would not be one of those times
Perssek
Mar 24 2006, 02:14 PM
Well, which one do you think is the third dragon? Hualpa is a great dragon (isn´t she?), or feathered serpent, whatever. Sirrug is probably there (as several fonts say), but what about the third one? Is it a great dragon? Another feathered serpent? What?
My guess is that it´s a great dragon. Don´t know which one, but...
QUOTE (Paul) |
Imagine how crappy my Portuguese is, since here in America we make you damn foreigners learn English, but we can't be bothered to learn "your" languages. Heh. |
It´s funny, you know - I work at a citzen central (yeah, I´m a public servant), which is this place in my states´ administration that unites several public offices that the common citzen will find useful, like offices of public taxes, consumer defense (my place), traffic fines, power, water, post, and the likes.
Fortunately, we are located at a small mall (no pun intended - if there is ANY to read), at 50 yards from the beach (we have notoriously beautiful beaches here in my town, sunny almost all the year - but not now). Of course that we have a LOT of tourists. Most of them are italian, german, dutch, swiss and sweden (don´t ask me why), and we have some american and english too, but it doesn´t matter, because ALL of them only speak english and some god-awful spanish (that they seem to have learned from a drunken walrus). Several times I am called at the front desk to help people dealing with nordic tourists trying to be undstood in a frantic spanish - and failing miserably.
They don´t seem to understand that we speak portuguese, not spanish.
So, it´s not annoying, but funny. Specially when they´re half-drunk, wearing only their bathsuits and a t-shirt saying "kiss the tourist" or something like that, and demanding that they have been robbed: how in hell can a sun-block cocoa lipstick cost the same as a 2-course meal?
But they do. I´ll probably die without ever knowing why, but we have the strangest price relation EVER in the whole history of economy.
Synner
Mar 24 2006, 02:57 PM
QUOTE (Perssek) |
Well, which one do you think is the third dragon? Hualpa is a great dragon (isn´t she?), or feathered serpent, whatever. Sirrug is probably there (as several fonts say), but what about the third one? Is it a great dragon? Another feathered serpent? What? |
Well, since you're Brazilian, I think you'll find the following hint interesting: M'Boi (escrito de umas cinco maneiras diferentes dependendo da fonte que estamos a ler).
Valentinew
Mar 24 2006, 05:51 PM
QUOTE (MITJA3000+) |
This is totally off-topic, but right you are. What seriously pisses me off is american tourists that we unfortunately get sometimes here in Helsinki, bitchin "these damn backward nations can't even speak english well enough to please my fat ass." A big fuck you to them.
This is of course generalization, we do get nice tourists also, and I'm not saying that all americans are stupid, selfcentered assholes.
|
Thanks for understanding that. I personally know some "ugly Americans" having heard stories about their travels. It embarasses me to no end to be associated with them.
QUOTE (Platinum) |
Ha .... the nice ones are actually Canadians mistaken for Americans. |
I have to disagree. Some of the nice ones are Americans pretending to be Canadians....
And now back to our regularly scheduled topic.
JongWK
Mar 24 2006, 06:51 PM
Wasn't there a website selling "Canadian disguise packs" for American tourists going to Europe?

Oh, and Synner? You teaser...
MITJA3000+
Mar 24 2006, 07:45 PM
QUOTE (Valentinew) |
Thanks for understanding that. I personally know some "ugly Americans" having heard stories about their travels. It embarasses me to no end to be associated with them. |
Still off-topic, just today I saw some kids in the tram, maybe seven or eight years old, and they were talking about how stupid americans are, how ignorant they are and the usual yada-yada you hear from ADULTS mostly.
The point is, as an american citizen, but also as a finn, it really worries me how negative the attitudes againts "yankees" are. Hate is a sad thing, especially when there's little or no basis for it.
The other really depressing thing is how little the foreign policy of the states is doing to negate this, on the contrary even.
But that's that.
SL James
Mar 24 2006, 09:53 PM
QUOTE (JongWK) |
Wasn't there a website selling "Canadian disguise packs" for American tourists going to Europe? |
What is it? A phrasebook telling you how to pepper your sentences with "eh" and "aboot?"
Platinum
Mar 24 2006, 10:01 PM
that is chapter 1.
Chapter 2 is how to use please and thank you.
Chapter 3 is actual history of WW1 and WW2 where the USA didn't win the war for everyone, but joined when the balance was already tipped in allies favour.
Chapter 4 teaches that police actions are not considered peace keeping.
Chapter 5 not everyone has a president.
Chapter 6 training your attack beaver
Chapter 7 American beer tastes like sewage flavoured water.
Chapter 8 Mounties always get their man.
Chapter 9 Building an igloo.
Chapter 10 guide to getting a zamboni licence.
Elfwitch
Mar 24 2006, 10:53 PM
I have to jump in here it is so easy to lump all americans in one pot and scream ugly americans.
Sure some are total a holes when they travel but a lot are not.
I used to work at FT Lauderdale Inter Airport exchanging forgein currency and I met a lot of really nice people but I also met a lot of really rude people as well.
I learned you can't judge eveyone from a country by their tourists and that people are basically people no matter where they come from and they all have the ability to be really nasty entiltled A holes. Or they can be generous, friendly and cool people to talk to.
SL James
Mar 24 2006, 10:58 PM
Which chapter is moose head?
But, yeah. It's been my impression that it's not any group of specific origin insofar as tourists generally tend to be douchebags. For me, they are why I have tried very hard never to visit Santa Fe on the weekend (Good God!) because if you think they stick out in Europe (and many do) the same people who'd act like 'tards there are just as big a bunch of 'tards on domestic vacations.
mfb
Mar 24 2006, 11:05 PM
haha, yeah. the stories i could tell about german and japanese tourists in Itaewon (especially japanese, christ). every tourist is an asshole.
stevebugge
Mar 24 2006, 11:28 PM
Popular T shirt here in the summer in Seattle reads:
If it's called Tourist Season why can 't I shoot them?
This is probably a popular T-shirt anywhere where there are tourists and restricted hunting seasons.
SL James
Mar 25 2006, 12:07 AM
Yep.
JongWK
Mar 25 2006, 04:39 PM
QUOTE (SL James) |
QUOTE (JongWK @ Mar 24 2006, 12:51 PM) | Wasn't there a website selling "Canadian disguise packs" for American tourists going to Europe? |
What is it? A phrasebook telling you how to pepper your sentences with "eh" and "aboot?"
|
I'm not kidding. I think I saw it on CNN. The kit included an obviously Canadian t-shirt, a facts & slang book, and pictures of Canadian landmarks that you could show to your European guests. *shakes head*
Me, like my country, I'm all for tourists.
SL James
Mar 25 2006, 05:47 PM
I know. That's why my response was what is called a, "joke."
I never worried about it from a language perspective except a couple of times when I couldn't hear what someone was saying, but physically I couldn't have stuck out more if I was a 7 foot tall Chinese woman, so I just used it to my advantage so people would leave me the hell alone.
-Nyx-
Mar 27 2006, 02:31 PM
I lived in Munich for a couple of years...
- Most American tourists are idiots.
- Most Japanese tourists are idiots.
- Most Australian tourists are idiots.
- ...
And when I saw the generic German tourist trying to enter the St. Peter's Basilica in Vatican City with boxer shorts, I know that everything you can do is trying to be one of the exceptions...
Greetings,
Nyx
MaxHunter
Mar 27 2006, 02:58 PM
Sorry to divert from the "Tourist" thread, but some of you may find this interesting...
[ Spoiler ]
(Straight from SOTA 64' page 156.)
"it's been rumored that Hualpa's right hand is a great anaconda called M`Boi.
Like others of his kind, M'boi is very secretive and only shows himself when absolutely necessary...
If and when you come to South America remember the name M'boi. Hualpa might be the top dragon, but every person or thing with power manipulates its own personal pawns"
>Artemis
BTW Perssek, I am visiting Brazil in a couple weeks, maybe you live in Salvador (slim chance, I know) please PM me if so we can talk more...
Cheers,
Max
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