Full Version: My Players Are Psychotic
FAEs aren't inherently more destructive than conventional high explosive weapons, though they can be more effective in certain applications. The biggest non-nuclear *boom* available to the US armed forces these days is a conventional HE weapon, the GBU-43/B, which easily trumps the BLU-82 FAE. None of these compare to nukes: the GBU-43/B is only around 1/1000th the explosive yield of the smallest tactical nuclear warheads.
| QUOTE (Nidhogg @ Mar 7 2006, 10:24 AM) |
| Once again, we are playing an amoral campaign. My problem isn't with what they did, just with thier penchant of appearing on the 6 o'clock news. |
Amoral does not mean you go out of your way to be evil, nor does being an amoral person require the use weapons of mass destruction. Amoral does not mean you are unaware of the consequences of your actions, and it does not mean you are stupid.
Bah. Nerve gas is far more survivable than a bomb. The classification of chemical weapons as WMDs is silly and spurious. As a general rule, if a nerve agent doesn't kill you in a few minutes it won't kill you at all because they break down too quickly. Atropine and adrenelin can keep you going untill the danger has passed.
Consider, for example, the sarin gas attack in the Tokyo subway in 1995. 12 people were killed. Now, you couldn't throw a grenade in the tokyo subway without killing more than 12 people. If nerve agents are so ineffective in one of the most crowded subway systems in teh world imagine how useless they are in actual battlefield conditions.
Now, blister agents are the nasty ones. The blisters they cause can easily become infected.
Consider, for example, the sarin gas attack in the Tokyo subway in 1995. 12 people were killed. Now, you couldn't throw a grenade in the tokyo subway without killing more than 12 people. If nerve agents are so ineffective in one of the most crowded subway systems in teh world imagine how useless they are in actual battlefield conditions.
Now, blister agents are the nasty ones. The blisters they cause can easily become infected.
An FAE in an enclosed area like subway tube can be particularly nasty.
Explosions in crowded areas are one thing, but be sure to take it to the next level.
Have you ever thought of combinging the explosion with, say, stringing monowire up along the emergency exits?
Have you ever thought of combinging the explosion with, say, stringing monowire up along the emergency exits?
| QUOTE (Dissonance) |
| Have you ever thought of combinging the explosion with, say, stringing monowire up along the emergency exits? |
That is...pure EVIL to do and would require a very sick mind.
| QUOTE (The Jopp) | ||
That is...pure EVIL to do and would require a very sick mind. |
Sounds good to me.
FAEs:
I have read that FAEs don't have a more intense blastwave, but a longer blastwave. Like a push compared to a slam. Buildings in particular are more vulnerable to this kind of push.
Bombs and Monowire:
If the wire will survive the explosion, spool up the device in monowire.
(unless you think monowire is some kind of magical cuts-anything substance. In that case, you would just end up with your bomb sliced lik bread.)
Come to think of it, If you could buy that much monowire, just buy 10x the number of normal bombs. Or some nice medical-grade radioactive waste for stuff around the bomb.
I have read that FAEs don't have a more intense blastwave, but a longer blastwave. Like a push compared to a slam. Buildings in particular are more vulnerable to this kind of push.
Bombs and Monowire:
If the wire will survive the explosion, spool up the device in monowire.
(unless you think monowire is some kind of magical cuts-anything substance. In that case, you would just end up with your bomb sliced lik bread.)
Come to think of it, If you could buy that much monowire, just buy 10x the number of normal bombs. Or some nice medical-grade radioactive waste for stuff around the bomb.
You see, the problem isn't that your players are psychotic. It is that they haven't killed enough people yet. Tell them to try harder next time. They need a big bodycount to make the Star afraid to come after them.
Yep, and more Canisters of Seven-7 and use it in malls and sneak into Lone Star Central Headquarters and release them there then unleash the ultimate enemy on them, The 2070 version of Jack Bauer do I here 24 music in the distance? "WHERE ARE THE SYNTOX GAS?"
No, no, no, Ed. You see, the whole bomb/monowire situation isn't like sticking a bunch of spools in a pile of explosives.
The idea is to have the explosive just be a purely panic-causing device. Hell, you could do the same thing with firecrackers, if you really wanted to. Anything to get people to panic and to herd in one direction.
I'll admit that monowire isn't the Cut Anything Ginsu Of Doom thread that most people make it out to be. However, in a herding situation, I'm pretty darn sure that due to pushing and shoving, you'll end up with at least, say, twelve and a half dead bodies before people realize that something's going on.
But, really, if you wanted to terrorize on the cheap, you could just be a rigger. Seal off all exits, get a rotodrone, and pick off an entire theatre of people during the next Harry Potter And The Adult Diapers Of Nerhull or whatever flick.
The idea is to have the explosive just be a purely panic-causing device. Hell, you could do the same thing with firecrackers, if you really wanted to. Anything to get people to panic and to herd in one direction.
I'll admit that monowire isn't the Cut Anything Ginsu Of Doom thread that most people make it out to be. However, in a herding situation, I'm pretty darn sure that due to pushing and shoving, you'll end up with at least, say, twelve and a half dead bodies before people realize that something's going on.
But, really, if you wanted to terrorize on the cheap, you could just be a rigger. Seal off all exits, get a rotodrone, and pick off an entire theatre of people during the next Harry Potter And The Adult Diapers Of Nerhull or whatever flick.
What caused the Tokyo sarin incident to have such a low body count was the way the sarin was mixed. Sarin's a 2-part agent, meaning that the last step in producing that enormous cloud of way-too-deadly is combining two substances. The device that was set off in the Tokyo subway was essentially an explosive charge in between two containers. The result of detonating that charge was to splash the vast majority of the contents of those containers in opposite directions... not what you'd call an optimal means of mixing them.
LD-90 on sarin gas is something like one-ten-millionth of your body weight. It's incredibly lethal if it's concentrated at all.
LD-90 on sarin gas is something like one-ten-millionth of your body weight. It's incredibly lethal if it's concentrated at all.
| QUOTE (Nidhogg) |
| You see, I need a solution that *doesn't* end up with a TPK or nobody having fun anymore. I don't have any kind of problem with my players creating a blood bath (what runner *doesn't* have little 'Mr. Blonde moments'?), I just wish they found a way to *not* increase each runner's Public Awareness exponentialy after each run. |
Maybe the players are going to need "new" characters anyway. All their contacts should have hung them out to dry by now, which is going to mean they're basically not runners anymore. They have to start over, essentially. New fake SINS and plastic surgery for sure, maybe significantly more than that. Finding new contacts, establishing reputations, all that stuff is going to be big.
Personally, if it were me GMing that, they'd have to be really clever and resourceful to survive what LS would do to them. And if they were clever and resourceful they wouldn't have gotten into that mess. It's a fun opportunity for you to turn them against each other, maybe after mentioning that if one of them turns state's (or whatever you'd call it) he might get off relatively easy.
| QUOTE (Shrike30) |
| What caused the Tokyo sarin incident to have such a low body count was the way the sarin was mixed. Sarin's a 2-part agent, meaning that the last step in producing that enormous cloud of way-too-deadly is combining two substances. The device that was set off in the Tokyo subway was essentially an explosive charge in between two containers. The result of detonating that charge was to splash the vast majority of the contents of those containers in opposite directions... not what you'd call an optimal means of mixing them. LD-90 on sarin gas is something like one-ten-millionth of your body weight. It's incredibly lethal if it's concentrated at all. |
It wasn't even that high tech. They had the two coponents packed in plastic pouches and stabbed then with sharpened umbrellas to get the two to mix and create the gas on the subways.
This goes a long way to explaining the low body count.
| QUOTE (The Jopp) | ||
That is...pure EVIL to do and would require a very sick mind. |
Fascinating...
Sounds like something one of the major antagonists in my last campaign arc would do.
Dissonance: 12 and a half? Usually half a body from monowire results in one whole death
Well, I'm figuring limb loss, too.
And don't forget the dwarves. They only count as half a person.
And don't forget the dwarves. They only count as half a person.
dwarves are people too! Now the irish.....
To the OP:
Your players need to be taught a lesson for this.
Did the hacker wipe all of the traces from where they'd been, including RFID chips in shoes and cars? Did any of them walk past a camera on the way to or from the two locations? Did anyone witness any of the events? Did any of them forget to erase astral signatures? Where did they get the gas from? Did anyone hire them for the warehouse job? Did they scramble the call to the press?
I think if Lone Star turned all their resources onto the case that they would be having their doors broken down by a swat team within 24 hrs. Less even. Or being hit by ritual spellcasting from afar. Or both, first the ritual then the swat. And we are not talking a handful of uncybered cops here. We are talking armored APC, helicopters, snipers on rooftops, gas, grenades, etc. Their characters are done for. They will never get a job again, and thats the least of their worries. Just write off this game.
The other option is to sit them down and talk to them. Explain what the problem is, and that you have no choice but to do this to them. Then give them a choice to either take it back or make up new characters.
Seriously, this sort of behaviour is just disrespectful for Shadowrun. Give them a dungeon bash. They'll be right at home there.
Your players need to be taught a lesson for this.
Did the hacker wipe all of the traces from where they'd been, including RFID chips in shoes and cars? Did any of them walk past a camera on the way to or from the two locations? Did anyone witness any of the events? Did any of them forget to erase astral signatures? Where did they get the gas from? Did anyone hire them for the warehouse job? Did they scramble the call to the press?
I think if Lone Star turned all their resources onto the case that they would be having their doors broken down by a swat team within 24 hrs. Less even. Or being hit by ritual spellcasting from afar. Or both, first the ritual then the swat. And we are not talking a handful of uncybered cops here. We are talking armored APC, helicopters, snipers on rooftops, gas, grenades, etc. Their characters are done for. They will never get a job again, and thats the least of their worries. Just write off this game.
The other option is to sit them down and talk to them. Explain what the problem is, and that you have no choice but to do this to them. Then give them a choice to either take it back or make up new characters.
Seriously, this sort of behaviour is just disrespectful for Shadowrun. Give them a dungeon bash. They'll be right at home there.
ok ok I just had to add my Two (or more) cents.....These guys are SICK, First of all you GAS an entire INNOCENT FAMILY.....I may be anti-cop but these players are SICKOS...also does Seven-7 DESOLVE YOUR SIKN LIKE VX-GAS??? I'm surrprised no one has asked this....also as far as other gas go what about CHOKING AGENTS...Phosphogen Gas was used By The IRANIANS AGAIST THEIR KURDS...it just goes into your lungs and stops you from absorbing oxygen, and so you .....Die. So if you want to do something nasty to these nasty players why don't you send them somewhere besides the obvious Aztlan? I don't Don't Know; plenty of Sick things still go down in Amazonia-some blood magic, Perverted Experiments And of Course Their could be a visit to the VAMPIRE medical Prison Camps In the Comferderated Democratic Republic Of the Congo
Yo!!! Vlad needs his DINNER!!!!!!!!!
Yo!!! Vlad needs his DINNER!!!!!!!!!
See, part of his problem is that he doesn't want a TPK. It's an amoral campaign, they're his buddies, etc.
But I think avoiding a TPK is a lost cause at this point, personally. I would stop metagaming to protect them and let the logical consequences of their actions fall upon their heads (massive manhunt for them using modern forensics and magic, their contacts and associates rushing to turn them in to get the heat off the entire criminal underworld, etc.). Then, explain what they did wrong, using small words if you have to. "Amoral" campaign aside, that was just plain stupid of them.
But I think avoiding a TPK is a lost cause at this point, personally. I would stop metagaming to protect them and let the logical consequences of their actions fall upon their heads (massive manhunt for them using modern forensics and magic, their contacts and associates rushing to turn them in to get the heat off the entire criminal underworld, etc.). Then, explain what they did wrong, using small words if you have to. "Amoral" campaign aside, that was just plain stupid of them.
remember that amusing and stupid often coincide. So even if you think calling in was funny, you can still gleefully have the SWAT kick the door in. Then you can all have a good laugh when the final irony of the gas chamber is presented on their day in court.
The only way to not slam them with a TPK is to close your eyes, humm to yourself, and push the 'suspension of disbelief' button. But , of course, that jsut means that they won't learn nothin' ,and you'll be asking this question again in a few weeks.
The only way to not slam them with a TPK is to close your eyes, humm to yourself, and push the 'suspension of disbelief' button. But , of course, that jsut means that they won't learn nothin' ,and you'll be asking this question again in a few weeks.
| QUOTE (boskop-albatros) |
| ok ok I just had to add my Two (or more) cents.....These guys are SICK, First of all you GAS an entire INNOCENT FAMILY.....I may be anti-cop but these players are SICKOS...also does Seven-7 DESOLVE YOUR SIKN LIKE VX-GAS??? I'm surrprised no one has asked this....also as far as other gas go what about CHOKING AGENTS...Phosphogen Gas was used By The IRANIANS AGAIST THEIR KURDS...it just goes into your lungs and stops you from absorbing oxygen, and so you .....Die. So if you want to do something nasty to these nasty players why don't you send them somewhere besides the obvious Aztlan? I don't Don't Know; plenty of Sick things still go down in Amazonia-some blood magic, Perverted Experiments And of Course Their could be a visit to the VAMPIRE medical Prison Camps In the Comferderated Democratic Republic Of the Congo Yo!!! Vlad needs his DINNER!!!!!!!!! |
GREATEST. POST. EVER!!!
| QUOTE (boskop-albatros) |
| And of course there could be a visit to the VAMPIRE medical Prison Camps In the Confederated Democratic Republic Of the Congo Yo!!! Vlad needs his DINNER!!!!!!!!! |
No, no, no! This sounds like it would play right into the party's hands. Now the GM has a pack of vampires with superhuman powers running around with the amoral need to feed just to survive. Hell, no!
The other suggestions could work, but do not try this.
News flash folks, plenty of terrible stuff happens in the world, and the hand of the GM does not bring them to justice. How many kids faces have you seen on the back of milk cartons? Now, compare that to the number of 'we got the bastard' headlines. Many of you are so wrapped up in your middle class safety blanket that the idea that someone could get away with horrible crimes is just unthinkable...
Its media control theres probably about 15 serial murderers operating at any given time inside USA course the media knows now to ignore it as it just feeds the psycho ego
(and yes I did play indigo prophecy
(and yes I did play indigo prophecy
How many of those 'ones that got away' were involved in mid-day killing spree, kill a policeman's family with chemical agents, and here's the kicker, taunt the guy during a live press release?
I'm not opposed to the idea of horrible people getting away with horrible things. It's just that in an era of ubiquitous, 24/7 wireless connection in an information hungry society and on _this_ kind of scale?
If they're not going to be caught, they're going to be living in a severely diminished state of awesome.
Sure, the media sensationalizes the resolution of horrible cases in order to draw attention from the fact that they're unable to solve other ones. It's just that _this_ one happens to be the sensationalized case.
Hell, this is going to be the Beltway Sniper / Scott Peterson case of the 2070s.
I'm not opposed to the idea of horrible people getting away with horrible things. It's just that in an era of ubiquitous, 24/7 wireless connection in an information hungry society and on _this_ kind of scale?
If they're not going to be caught, they're going to be living in a severely diminished state of awesome.
Sure, the media sensationalizes the resolution of horrible cases in order to draw attention from the fact that they're unable to solve other ones. It's just that _this_ one happens to be the sensationalized case.
Hell, this is going to be the Beltway Sniper / Scott Peterson case of the 2070s.
| QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Mar 13 2006, 02:09 AM) |
| News flash folks, plenty of terrible stuff happens in the world, and the hand of the GM does not bring them to justice. How many kids faces have you seen on the back of milk cartons? Now, compare that to the number of 'we got the bastard' headlines. Many of you are so wrapped up in your middle class safety blanket that the idea that someone could get away with horrible crimes is just unthinkable... |
If they were kidnapping random children and doing whatever it is these people do to children (young organs last longer in theory but have trouble keeping up with adult bodies. With good marketing combined with the potential for multiple failures within a short span of time there is profit to be made here) then it is reasonable that they would never be caught.
However, that isn't what they did. They did not kidnap this detective's family and sell the good pieces to orgenleggers and the leftovers to ghouls. No, they use nerve gas in his home in a good neighborhood to send a message. And that message was I R DUM.
This is still salvagable, of course. Lone Star will never let him investigate his family's death and with a few coincidences it can be made to appear as if he was the one behind the gassing. In situations like this the killer is always the husband, even when it isn't.
For the corp an unstable officer going off his rocker and murdering his family looks slightly better than a bunch of shadowrunners killing cop's families with impunity. It also takes fewer resources to convict him than it would to track down the runners. If, on top of everything, he isn't corrupt enough then it would be very simple for his bribe-taking whore-raping son-of-a-bitch partner to drop a piece of evidence that proves the cop is guilty. If he isn't corrupt enough then his boss just might order that to be done.
Of course, he won't stay in prision. He'll break out and look for revenge. Then the runners have a long term enemy slowly gathering power in the shadows instead of a one-time bloodbath vs Seatle's finest in which they supply the blood.
The second half of hyzmarca's post had an impression on me.
Mainly, http://unstablepolicecyborg.ytmnd.com/ .
Mainly, http://unstablepolicecyborg.ytmnd.com/ .
Okay, here is how I'd do it.
One day, for no apparent reason, the runners see a report on the Trid about their call. It turns out that their call during the press conferance was a hoax staged by the detective in question to throw suspicion off of him and was traced by to a confiscated comlink that he had checked out of the evidence locker and tampered with.
They then get to watch his trial live. It last exactly 38 minutes and 47 seconds including tesimony and deliberation. It would have been over sooner but it was almost noon and the judge took a 20 minute lunch break.
The jury comes back with a guilty verdict and gives him 4 consecutive death sentences.
The runners then get to watch his harrowing escape from the courthouse as he slaughters his former fellow officers with all the skill one would expect from a double-digit initiate grade mystic adept. After he leaves a wake of bodies that rivals and exceeds the runners' worst bloodbaths the news cameras loose sight of him. He vanishes into the shadows and the runners know that they are truely boned. There is no more dangerous enemy than a man with nothing to live for except your death.
One day, for no apparent reason, the runners see a report on the Trid about their call. It turns out that their call during the press conferance was a hoax staged by the detective in question to throw suspicion off of him and was traced by to a confiscated comlink that he had checked out of the evidence locker and tampered with.
They then get to watch his trial live. It last exactly 38 minutes and 47 seconds including tesimony and deliberation. It would have been over sooner but it was almost noon and the judge took a 20 minute lunch break.
The jury comes back with a guilty verdict and gives him 4 consecutive death sentences.
The runners then get to watch his harrowing escape from the courthouse as he slaughters his former fellow officers with all the skill one would expect from a double-digit initiate grade mystic adept. After he leaves a wake of bodies that rivals and exceeds the runners' worst bloodbaths the news cameras loose sight of him. He vanishes into the shadows and the runners know that they are truely boned. There is no more dangerous enemy than a man with nothing to live for except your death.
You base a trial on circumstantial evidence?
How did he pay for the gas?
How did he pay for the contact to gas?
How did he pay for the people to make the fake call...
All your allegations leans heavily on one missing factor: payoff.
For the detective to be in on it, there has to be a money trail leading to him, otherwise the trial would be thrown due to circumstantial evidence and the lack of proof.
I'd also like to see your justification of the dective going postal rather than trying to follow up with contacts to take care of things on a legal perspective.
How did he pay for the gas?
How did he pay for the contact to gas?
How did he pay for the people to make the fake call...
All your allegations leans heavily on one missing factor: payoff.
For the detective to be in on it, there has to be a money trail leading to him, otherwise the trial would be thrown due to circumstantial evidence and the lack of proof.
I'd also like to see your justification of the dective going postal rather than trying to follow up with contacts to take care of things on a legal perspective.
| QUOTE (Dranem) |
| You base a trial on circumstantial evidence? How did he pay for the gas? How did he pay for the contact to gas? How did he pay for the people to make the fake call... All your allegations leans heavily on one missing factor: payoff. For the detective to be in on it, there has to be a money trail leading to him, otherwise the trial would be thrown due to circumstantial evidence and the lack of proof. I'd also like to see your justification of the dective going postal rather than trying to follow up with contacts to take care of things on a legal perspective. |
You presume a sane game. Clearly the players are playing everything over the top and without such reasoning.
He paid for it by being a crooked cop, and getting pay-off from drug dealers. He got the gas from whatever rebellion the drug cartels are supporting at the moment. He just got some junkie he knew to make the call. The DA has got a dealer who turned states evidence and is fingering the cop as dirty, and a junkie admitting to making the call. His fellow cops aren’t saying anying bad about the guy in question, but blue line, and all of that right?
It's cheaper for the corporate higher ups to sell one of thier own to the dogs that to track the runners down.
It's cheaper for the corporate higher ups to sell one of thier own to the dogs that to track the runners down.
Evidence. We don't need no stinking evidence.
The story is all over the 'trix and the jury knows that he is guilty because the mediacorps say so. There doesn't have to be any testimony or any evidence and the only deliberation that the jury has to make is how many times they'll kill him. What else would you expect from an eighteen minute trial?
His only defense is that "crazed sadowrunners" broke into his house and killed his family. Yeah, we heard that story before Mr Jeffery Macdonald. It just isn't reasonable.
The story is all over the 'trix and the jury knows that he is guilty because the mediacorps say so. There doesn't have to be any testimony or any evidence and the only deliberation that the jury has to make is how many times they'll kill him. What else would you expect from an eighteen minute trial?
His only defense is that "crazed sadowrunners" broke into his house and killed his family. Yeah, we heard that story before Mr Jeffery Macdonald. It just isn't reasonable.
Yes, clearly someone needs to watch Judge Dredd again.
Lone Star is far more interested in its ongoing contract than in catching a group of pesky runners. I think the Star would likely still pursue the runners, but on the sly and quiet-like (because the Star certainly realizes dangerous people like that will be back). But setting up a kangaroo court for publicity makes sense. Now the runners have the cops after them and a crazy ex-cop, who plans on creating a clone army of himself to... no wait, sorry, got carried away there.
Lone Star is far more interested in its ongoing contract than in catching a group of pesky runners. I think the Star would likely still pursue the runners, but on the sly and quiet-like (because the Star certainly realizes dangerous people like that will be back). But setting up a kangaroo court for publicity makes sense. Now the runners have the cops after them and a crazy ex-cop, who plans on creating a clone army of himself to... no wait, sorry, got carried away there.
I think having a crazy mystic adept hunting them is great just for the fun aspect. Do it. DO IT!
Pinning it on the cop is an interesting idea that lets the PCs stay in the clear while not dropping the 'issue'. Might even annoy the characters to see their media coverage turned inside out and blamed on the cop. If you don't like the cop going postal at the trial...have him carried off to prison and then escape. It could either be quiet so the first time he moves against the PCs its a surprise or loud...it could the result of a screw up and the now ex-cop taking advantage of the situation or someone on the inside might make 'arrangements' or simply be sympathetic and turn their backs...
The other idea I had that could allow the PCs to stay in play would be to put them through the gauntlet of being pursued and eventually escaping the city (perhaps with the help of a mysterious benefactor who could use the services of people with their skills and ruthlessness). You could even off one or two of them just to make it feel real.
Once clear and in the hands of their benefactor they get all new faces, IDs and 'contacts' and start anew in a new city...as long as they respect their new leash...
The other idea I had that could allow the PCs to stay in play would be to put them through the gauntlet of being pursued and eventually escaping the city (perhaps with the help of a mysterious benefactor who could use the services of people with their skills and ruthlessness). You could even off one or two of them just to make it feel real.
Once clear and in the hands of their benefactor they get all new faces, IDs and 'contacts' and start anew in a new city...as long as they respect their new leash...
| QUOTE (brennanhawkwood) |
| Pinning it on the cop is an interesting idea that lets the PCs stay in the clear while not dropping the 'issue'. Might even annoy the characters to see their media coverage turned inside out and blamed on the cop. If you don't like the cop going postal at the trial...have him carried off to prison and then escape. It could either be quiet so the first time he moves against the PCs its a surprise or loud...it could the result of a screw up and the now ex-cop taking advantage of the situation or someone on the inside might make 'arrangements' or simply be sympathetic and turn their backs... The other idea I had that could allow the PCs to stay in play would be to put them through the gauntlet of being pursued and eventually escaping the city (perhaps with the help of a mysterious benefactor who could use the services of people with their skills and ruthlessness). You could even off one or two of them just to make it feel real. Once clear and in the hands of their benefactor they get all new faces, IDs and 'contacts' and start anew in a new city...as long as they respect their new leash... |
All... good ideas.....so imagine if this ex cop mystic adept has a mysterious benafactor and he then gets sent down to FDRC as an undercover investigator for I and who knows some kinda "Rights Group" and it is the..said VAMPIRE prison Collony.....IT isn't a place where Vamps run around in the "wild" it is Acctually a Place where Human(ish!
| QUOTE (hyzmarca) |
| ????Fuck the What |
Philip K. Dick Style, meaning heavy on the drugs I guess?
I *THINK* what he said is this:
There's an AI. This AI has a remote control meat body. He is completely irrelevant to the story.
A Johnson in Horizon offers the PCs a job at a facility that holds and does research on vampires. This appears to be a bad place.
The wronged cop gets involved with some sort of policlub and, with help from the same Johnson, is inserted into the facility with the intention of gathering information on the camp.
There is also another ex-cop who is female and therefore incompetent and in need of saving. She is at the facility, apparently as vamp food. The framed cop needs to save her. He does so, possibly killing the PCs in the process.
The two ex-cops escape and are picked up by Horizon and Shiawise. The woman reveals that she actually had some super bioware that recorded everything, but was completely unnoticable by cyber scanners. She sells the video to Horizon and Shiawise. She also happened to find the cure for vampirism while in the facility. The ex-cop we already know finds out his family was never killed at all, and that the killing was faked by Shiawise to test him. Now that he's passed the test, he, his family, and his new girlfriend are all going to be taken to the secret Shiawise colony on the moon.
As an interesting aside, this is one of the few plot lines I've ever seen that not only invalidates any of the PCs future actions and importance in ongoing events, but invalidates their previous actions as well.
There's an AI. This AI has a remote control meat body. He is completely irrelevant to the story.
A Johnson in Horizon offers the PCs a job at a facility that holds and does research on vampires. This appears to be a bad place.
The wronged cop gets involved with some sort of policlub and, with help from the same Johnson, is inserted into the facility with the intention of gathering information on the camp.
There is also another ex-cop who is female and therefore incompetent and in need of saving. She is at the facility, apparently as vamp food. The framed cop needs to save her. He does so, possibly killing the PCs in the process.
The two ex-cops escape and are picked up by Horizon and Shiawise. The woman reveals that she actually had some super bioware that recorded everything, but was completely unnoticable by cyber scanners. She sells the video to Horizon and Shiawise. She also happened to find the cure for vampirism while in the facility. The ex-cop we already know finds out his family was never killed at all, and that the killing was faked by Shiawise to test him. Now that he's passed the test, he, his family, and his new girlfriend are all going to be taken to the secret Shiawise colony on the moon.
As an interesting aside, this is one of the few plot lines I've ever seen that not only invalidates any of the PCs future actions and importance in ongoing events, but invalidates their previous actions as well.
| QUOTE (nezumi @ Mar 14 2006, 12:18 PM) |
| As an interesting aside, this is one of the few plot lines I've ever seen that not only invalidates any of the PCs future actions and importance in ongoing events, but invalidates their previous actions as well. |
Well, sure. Otherwise the PCs would just interfere with the carefully-constructed plotline. Can't have that.
boskop: posting while high = unintelligible
try again in the morning
try again in the morning
I think we found the "Lone Gunman"...
Woah, dude, have you converted SR 4 to HYBRID yet?
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