Help - Search - Members - Calendar
Full Version: Name that gun
Dumpshock Forums > Discussion > Shadowrun
juzzman
One for the movie/gun fans

I saw this cheesy movie a while ago where robbers attack a ship at sea and everyone gets eaten by giant leech things. The mercs have these cool looking guns, like a large smg, but with 4 barrels, almost like a tiny minigun. They may just be made up.

Dont remember the name of the movie or the gun. any ideas?

Juz
reconsweden
Deep Rising

QUOTE

They may just be made up.


Yup


Edit:Found the script

"Gentlemen.
Say hello to the Chinese...

M -L triple-pulse
assault rifle.

Rotating barrel,
thousand-round capacity.

- Auto cooling, watertight."


One movie weapon thats really high on the "Stupid" list.
ChuckRozool
"stupid" list?
you mean to tell me you don't own the real life gun that was based on?
the difference being the round capacity...
the RL gun only has a 999 round capacity, but other than that it's spot on...
water tight and self-cooling

The Mk I wasn't water tight but it was self-cooling.

Oh, and they forgot about the built in laser sight
nick012000
At IMDB...
QUOTE
The "pulse rifles" used by the pirates are actually heavily modified M-960 Calico submachine guns.
Trax
QUOTE (ChuckRozool)
"stupid" list?
you mean to tell me you don't own the real life gun that was based on?
the difference being the round capacity...
the RL gun only has a 999 round capacity, but other than that it's spot on...
water tight and self-cooling

The Mk I wasn't water tight but it was self-cooling.

Oh, and they forgot about the built in laser sight

It's a thousand rounds if you put one in the chamber.
juzzman
Thanks for that, i knew i didnt make it up smile.gif Shame they are not real. I think i'm gonna have my runners go search for a stolen case of the weapons, field prototypes which falls into the hands of a nasty gang smile.gif

Guess i'll have to make up some mouth watering stats bafore i introduce the fatal design flaws biggrin.gif

Juz
Raygun
QUOTE (Trax)
QUOTE (ChuckRozool @ Mar 28 2006, 06:03 AM)
"stupid" list?
you mean to tell me you don't own the real life gun that was based on?
the difference being the round capacity...
the RL gun only has a 999 round capacity, but other than that it's spot on...
water tight and self-cooling

The Mk I wasn't water tight but it was self-cooling.

Oh, and they forgot about the built in laser sight

It's a thousand rounds if you put one in the chamber.

No, it's 101 rounds with one in the chamber. There's no 999 round mag for the Calico. It would be rediculously huge and heavy. 1,000 rounds of 9x19mm ball weighs about 25 pounds. 1,000 rounds of .22 LR weighs about 7.6 pounds.
Fresno Bob
There's no 999 mag for a lot of guns.
Raygun
Yeah. Excluding vehicle mounted guns, pretty much all of them.

The Calico does have a particularly space-efficient, high-capacity magazine though. 100 rounds is a lot. 1,000 is just plain rediculous, especially so for an SMG-class firearm.
ShadowDragon8685
That's a gun you can load once and shoot through a whole Rambo movie. smile.gif

More Runners need Calicos with APDS.
Lindt
Isnt there an assault rifle that uses a helical (or how ever a helix style is called) mag?
Raygun
In the game, yes. The HVAR (as well as the HVLMG and Ingram SuperMach) appears to use a helical mag. There my be more.

IRL, no. It becomes a case of deminishing returns in regard to the capacity advantage when the cartridge length gets beyond about 3.5-4 times the diameter. Then a drum or dual drum, like the C-Mag, is likely a better option.
Kagetenshi
QUOTE (Raygun)
In the game, yes. The HVAR (as well as the HVLMG and Ingram SuperMach) appears to use a helical mag.

Based on the stats, or on a picture I have thus far failed to discover?

~J
Raygun
Pictures in Fields Of Fire as well as their respective 50, 80, and 60-round capacities. However, chalk it up to fuzzy memory: The pictures of the HV weapons appear to show a top-mounted box mag similar to the G11 (cartridge stored 90° from the bore axis), rather than a helical feed magazine like the Calico. The SuperMach pic definitely shows a helical feed mag.
Crusher Bob
From what I remember of the HV weapon pics, it looked like the HVAR family had helical mags, but the mags were 'reversed' so that they didn't hang off the back like the calico's mag does. Of course almost all of the gun picutres in SR artwork are crap (like not having enough room behind the bolt for the bolt to fully retract). Would it hurt to look at a 'how stuff works' before trying to draw guns?
Birdy
QUOTE (Raygun)
Yeah. Excluding vehicle mounted guns, pretty much all of them.

The Calico does have a particularly space-efficient, high-capacity magazine though. 100 rounds is a lot. 1,000 is just plain rediculous, especially so for an SMG-class firearm.

Ah, that's not exactly true. During my army time I had a 1000rnd magazin for my MG-3. It was self-deploying and resonably smart. Commonly known as a Gunner-2 :=)


Now the one weapon from that film I WOULD like to own was the boat used by the "Hero". Ever since seeing "McHales Navy" and the old John Wayne Flick I consider PT-Boats the second best thing in the class.
Austere Emancipator
A 1000-round belt box? Did it have separated compartments, or a single volume for the whole 50-pound, >60-foot belt to go back and forth in? Any particular reason they didn't just give you 4 250-round boxes?

Anyway, real men use 4400 round belts. Weighs less than 300lbs and fits nicely on the back of a cybertroll.
Raygun
QUOTE (Crusher Bob)
From what I remember of the HV weapon pics, it looked like the HVAR family had helical mags, but the mags were 'reversed' so that they didn't hang off the back like the calico's mag does.

Nah, they're both pretty obviously supposed to be modeled after the G11 magazine, with the rounds stored vertically and a rotating chamber that feeds from below the mag and rotates the rounds inline with the barrel. The HVAR does feed at the rear end of the rifle (mag inserted from the front, just like the G11), whereas the HVLMG is reversed (mag inserted from the rear). On both guns, below the point where the rounds would feed into the rotating chamber, there's what appears to be a folding handle, quite obviously in reference to the G11, where the user would manually rotate the chamber to load a round. However, seeing that the HV weapons are supposed to have multiple barrels, this system wouldn't work and a helical mag would be a much better choice. Wish I had a scanner.

QUOTE (Birdy @ Mar 29 2006, 10:35 AM)
Ah, that's not exactly true. During my army time I had a 1000rnd magazin for my MG-3. It was self-deploying and resonably smart. Commonly known as a Gunner-2 :=)

I put the "pretty much" there to cover any oddities I might not have been aware of, this being a prime example. Obviously, what you're talking about isn't the kind of magazine you attach to the gun and run around with. It's a storage device for belted ammunition, and weighing as much as it would, one that I seriously doubt you'd be taking with you on a long hike, or dragging with you into some kind of urban operation, except maybe in the rear. You have 120-round boxes for that kind of thing. I'm sure it's intended to be used in vehicles or static emplacements.

I'd love to see more about it, if you can find some info. I'm not having any luck.
Moon-Hawk
Maybe I'm an idiot, but I think Birdy's "1000 round magazine" is another person who's b*tch-work it is to lug around the ammo. At least, that's what I read out of "self-deploying and reasonably smart"
Raygun
That's a possibility. What I don't understand is the utility of one guy hauling 1,000 rounds on his back in one box. Tactically speaking, we'd have to be be taking some liberties with the term "reasonably smart" if that's how it's done normally.
Birdy
QUOTE (Austere Emancipator)
A 1000-round belt box? Did it have separated compartments, or a single volume for the whole 50-pound, >60-foot belt to go back and forth in? Any particular reason they didn't just give you 4 250-round boxes?

Anyway, real men use 4400 round belts. Weighs less than 300lbs and fits nicely on the back of a cybertroll.

Actually, that is what we used biggrin.gif I thought the "Gunner-2" (Schütze-2) comment was clear frown.gif The guy was 170cm heigh and about as wide, all muscles. So during an exercise he wanted to make really sure we won't run out of ammo. So he bundled up four boxes and lugged them around.

I should use more Smileys! Ja, more Smileys.
PBTHHHHT
QUOTE (Birdy)
Actually, that is what we used biggrin.gif I thought the "Gunner-2" (Schütze-2) comment was clear frown.gif The guy was 170cm heigh and about as wide, all muscles. So during an exercise he wanted to make really sure we won't run out of ammo. So he bundled up four boxes and lugged them around.

I should use more Smileys! Ja, more Smileys.

Next time use the wink smile, that might help even more. wink.gif

I did love the self-deploying and reasonably smart comment and understood that part. But ja, you have to use more smilies to get the effect across. Plus, don't use the smiley with the '=' as the nose since it won't register with the forums and you don't get the actually smiley face picture.
KarmaInferno
Masemune Shirow (Ghost in the Shell, Appleseed, etc) uses a huge number of helical magazines in his gun designs.

Then again, the design logic of most of his guns are based on what looks cool, not what would actually work. He himself has said that he only has a rudimentary knowledge on how guns work.


-karma
Arethusa
That doesn't make any sense. The vast majority of his Ghost in the Shell designs are least plausible, and some have been very good. He's not entirely responsible for the extremely realistic work in the movies and the series, but even so.
Raygun
QUOTE (Birdy)
Actually, that is what we used biggrin.gif I thought the "Gunner-2" (Schütze-2) comment was clear frown.gif The guy was 170cm heigh and about as wide, all muscles. So during an exercise he wanted to make really sure we won't run out of ammo. So he bundled up four boxes and lugged them around.

I should use more Smileys! Ja, more Smileys.

That explains much. smile.gif
reconsweden
Who hasn´t run around with a 500-1000 round belt in a ammobox strapped to your backpack frame and feed the MG the belt over your shoulder thru a homemade feed-thingie smile.gif
It works and its fun but it means you cant lie down. Sucks tactically but works wonders to put a smile on your face.

Warning: Not to be used in actual combat
Crusher Bob
QUOTE (Raygun @ Mar 30 2006, 08:43 AM)
QUOTE (Birdy @ Mar 29 2006, 10:47 PM)
Actually, that is what we used  biggrin.gif  I thought the "Gunner-2" (Schütze-2) comment was clear  frown.gif  The guy was 170cm heigh and about as wide, all muscles. So during an exercise he wanted to make really sure we won't run out of ammo. So he bundled up four boxes and lugged them around.

I should use more Smileys! Ja, more Smileys.

That explains much. smile.gif

How peculiar, I got the reference immediately and thought you were being humorously obtuse, or else I’d have dropped in with the explanaion. wobble.gif
Ed_209a
QUOTE (reconsweden)
Who hasn´t run around with a 500-1000 round belt in a ammobox strapped to your backpack frame and feed the MG the belt over your shoulder thru a homemade feed-thingie smile.gif
It works and its fun but it means you cant lie down. Sucks tactically but works wonders to put a smile on your face.

Warning: Not to be used in actual combat

Was it hard to get the feed to work?

The belted ammo I have handled was only flexible in one axis, meaning the ammo had to be next to the feed tray for the thing to work.
Raygun
QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Mar 30 2006, 10:04 AM)
How peculiar, I got the reference immediately and thought you were being humorously obtuse, or else I’d have dropped in with the explanaion.  wobble.gif

Unfortunately, I was being obtuse for real. Sometimes the humor switch just does not flip when I'm in a more analytical frame of mind... ("Gunner-2" would equate to "Spotter" in the vernacular to which I am accustomed.) smile.gif
Birdy
Question:

What is the US-term for the second man in a GPMG-team? Ammo-Handler? Assistant gunner?

And where is Gunner-2 used? Snipers?
Ed_209a
QUOTE (Birdy)
Question:

What is the US-term for the second man in a GPMG-team? Ammo-Handler? Assistant gunner?

And where is Gunner-2 used? Snipers?

In training, I always heard it called Assistant gunner (or A-Gunner)

I haven't heard the term Gunner-2 used for anything, either in RL or on TV.

Raygun
"Assistant gunner" or "spotter" are what I've heard. Though "spotter" is an informal term. I have heard it used more frequently in relation to two-man scout/sniper teams. A machine gun crew can also operate with a third member, usually called the "ammunition bearer".
Lindt
Remember I was asking about an assault rifle that used a helical mag? Turns out I was thinking of THIS badboy. Not an AR at all, turns out it was an SMG.
Raygun
Yeah. It's here, too. So far the best use of the helical magazine in a small arm, I think.
bustedkarma
QUOTE (Birdy)
Question:

And where is Gunner-2 used? Snipers?

The US NAVY uses a (super confusing) system of Ranks/Rates to say what they actually are.

Where an E-5 in the USAF is just SSgt.

An E-5 iin the navy will most likely be called by his Rank and Rate.

Gunner 2 Could be a reference to a Sailor in the rate of Gunners Mate with the Rank of Petty Office 2nd Class (PO2/E-5), or called GM2.

...and knowing is half the battle.
Snow_Fox
QUOTE (Ed_209a)
QUOTE (reconsweden @ Mar 30 2006, 04:00 AM)
Who hasn´t run around with a 500-1000 round belt in a ammobox strapped to your backpack frame and feed the MG the belt over your shoulder thru a homemade feed-thingie smile.gif
It works and its fun but it means you cant lie down. Sucks tactically but works wonders to put a smile on your face.

Warning: Not to be used in actual combat

Was it hard to get the feed to work?

The belted ammo I have handled was only flexible in one axis, meaning the ammo had to be next to the feed tray for the thing to work.

It gets a little stiff, but in RL I htink they have "frames' that help the feed.
KarmaInferno
1,000 round backpack? Try 10,000 round, girly-man. Hah!

biggrin.gif


-karma
langolas
QUOTE (KarmaInferno)
1,000 round backpack? Try 10,000 round, girly-man. Hah!

biggrin.gif


-karma

Hope he doesn't get hit in the back with any willie pete rounds...there wont' be anything left to ID biggrin.gif
Lindt
Fire Elemental anyone?
KarmaInferno
Seeing as that particular guy requires multiple direct hits from a rocket launcher to kill, shirtless as he is, I don't think he's worried about ammo explosions.

biggrin.gif


-karma
hyzmarca
Rocket Launcher? That's insane. He can shoot rockets out of the air with his cannon. C4 works best. Several hundred kilograms of C4.
ShadowDragon8685
QUOTE (KarmaInferno)
Seeing as that particular guy requires multiple direct hits from a rocket launcher to kill, shirtless as he is, I don't think he's worried about ammo explosions.

biggrin.gif


-karma

Ammo explosionsrob him of the ability to fight back, though. smile.gif
Shrapnel
QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685)
QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Apr 1 2006, 11:51 PM)
Seeing as that particular guy requires multiple direct hits from a rocket launcher to kill, shirtless as he is, I don't think he's worried about ammo explosions.

biggrin.gif


-karma

Ammo explosionsrob him of the ability to fight back, though. smile.gif

I wonder if that thing comes with an auto-eject feature... biggrin.gif
ShadowDragon8685
Nah. Even though it's hella big, it's not big enough for CASE panels.
reconsweden
QUOTE (Snow_Fox)
QUOTE (Ed_209a @ Mar 30 2006, 11:15 AM)
QUOTE (reconsweden @ Mar 30 2006, 04:00 AM)
Who hasn´t run around with a 500-1000 round belt in a ammobox strapped to your backpack frame and feed the MG the belt over your shoulder thru a homemade feed-thingie smile.gif
It works and its fun but it means you cant lie down. Sucks tactically but works wonders to put a smile on your face.

Warning: Not to be used in actual combat

Was it hard to get the feed to work?

The belted ammo I have handled was only flexible in one axis, meaning the ammo had to be next to the feed tray for the thing to work.

It gets a little stiff, but in RL I htink they have "frames' that help the feed.

Actually the belt is not that stiff, atleast not the non disintegrating belt we have here in sweden.
The feed situation varied from construction to construction, since all were made by soldiers and not issued they were of varying design, quality and function.
Some were just a half coke can attached to the shoulder harness/vest to ensure that the rounds didn´t snag on the cloth and slid smothly over the shoulder. Others were complex designs using several dismantled belt pouches.

This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.
Dumpshock Forums © 2001-2012